Shroud of Turin—real or fake, and why?

I don’t think the shroud of Turin is authentic.

What are your opinions?

According to the Jewish burial custom of the time, bodies were wrapped in strips of cloth. For example, in John 11:44, Lazarus is described as being wrapped in "linen strips."

But the accounts in the gospels differ. The synoptics take their cues from Mark, saying He was wrapped in a linen shroud provided by Joseph of Arimathea. John, however, says "they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen cloths with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews."

In John 20:6-7, when Peter and John rushed to the tomb, it says: "Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself."

If there was a face cloth that was separate from the rest, then this obviously couldn't refer to the Shroud of Turin since it (the Shroud of Turin) is all one piece. John's gospel is the only one that records this detail.

I have mixed feelings. The shroud is a negative image of a person. If it's a forgery, how would that have even been done (in negative I mean)? But the idea of a single piece of cloth runs counter to the burial customs of the Jews at the time. However, Matthew, Mark and Luke says they wrapped Him in a linen shroud.

What are your opinions?

The Catholic church -- since its inception -- majored on superstitions, and relics were a part of those superstitions. The Shroud is is one of those relics.

True. That's one thing that makes me put a mark in the fake column.

Has anyone ever been able to demonstrate how this shroud was faked?

If the shroud is not a fake, which it probably is, there is still nothing to tie it to Jesus. I wonder how many dead people were wrapped in shrouds in those times? Its a nice story.

Wikipedia shows an enhanced image someone made of the man in the shroud. If it's Jesus I'd expect to see a lot more damage to His face and more blood than what this image shows.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._color_information_708_x_465_pixels_94_KB.jpg

See post #4 above

There is carbon dating but who knows what purposes those scientists had... "Science" can barley be trusted.
My conclusion remains the same.
The shroud could be authentic.
If not then it's a really mysterious piece of artwork. Something genius

But if its fake then show us how it was faked. It's the only way in my book. Till then it's possible

How could it be shown to be fake in some way you would not dismiss as being untrustworthy?

The scientists were obviously given the shroud by the RCC.

Right there many would say: RCC cannot be trusted.

According to the Jewish burial custom of the time, bodies were wrapped in strips of cloth. For example, in John 11:44, Lazarus is described as being wrapped in "linen strips."

But the accounts in the gospels differ. The synoptics take their cues from Mark, saying He was wrapped in a linen shroud provided by Joseph of Arimathea. John, however, says "they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen cloths with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews."

In John 20:6-7, when Peter and John rushed to the tomb, it says: "Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself."

If there was a face cloth that was separate from the rest, then this obviously couldn't refer to the Shroud of Turin since it (the Shroud of Turin) is all one piece. John's gospel is the only one that records this detail.

I have mixed feelings. The shroud is a negative image of a person. If it's a forgery, how would that have even been done (in negative I mean)? But the idea of a single piece of cloth runs counter to the burial customs of the Jews at the time. However, Matthew, Mark and Luke says they wrapped Him in a linen shroud.

What are your opinions?

I think it is most likely a fake because of the scriptures and i also know that many fake relics where fabricated in the dark ages to act as a draw for pilgrims to come to a location.. Many people made a lot of money from the pilgrimage industry in those times.. Just as tourism makes a lot of money for famous locations in the world today..

In any case fake or not it has no effect on my confidence in the truth of the Gospel that saves

I think it is most likely a fake because of the scriptures