Am I fit to judge other Christians ?

We do try to reach the lost and the afraid with the gospel message, and many are unaware that what they are doing is sin. I never forget how flawed I am because of sin, but I also never forget what was used with me when I was confronted to determine exactly what my sins were.

What would you do, or recommend someone else do, if someone asked: "Tell me, what specifically is sin, and why should I turn from it?"

yes brother I hear you what I’m saying is the way to get sinners to repent isn’t to judge them Ourself the call to repentance we need is what Jesus has to say we need to trust in his word about all these matters .

Jesus is the one God sent to sinners in order that if they put thier faith in him and hear his word they will come to repentance because they believe in him and he said it so his word has the power to call a sinner who doesn’t pretend he didn’t sin , to repentance

“And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth,
I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous,

but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:10-13‬ ‭

sinners have an inner deadly disease on their heart and Jesus is the great physician that has the power to heal thier hearts from sin and lead thorn into righteousness by faith believing him and all who believe in Jesus will respond to him

but if I go out and begin telling people my word about the matter and telling them what they need to do to be saved and I start straying from Christs doctrine and never send the believer to Jesus to learn it’s not going to impact the person because I’m in the way I might be trying to help but Jesus is telling me “ just witness of me wherever you go and recall my word le and they who love me will hear me and come to me and I Jesus will save them “

the thing is if I’m looking at other peoples sins and why they aren’t worthy , I’m never going to g eat around to coming close enough to whisper about Jesus who can save me and then and you and the rest

I believe we are all pursuing the same Lord and he has the judgement part covered so we can just take the easy yoke and spread his word me works for us and he can wprk
Put the flaws in us and them I trust he’s able to call sinners to repentance , so my message is out Jesus and what he said

Agreed. But within a local church setting, there will be times when Christians must make judgments. This is also stated in the Bible. Let' take one passage in Matthew 18:15-17 which has the words of Christ: 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Here the church (a group of Christians) is given the responsibility to make a judgment. And Christians are told to make righteous judgments, and also discern between good and evil. At the same time Christians are not given blanket permission to go around pronouncing judgments on other Christians outside their church. But how are you to beware of false teachers and false prophets unless you make a judgment?

Your example may be relevant in the case of interacting with the unsaved, but it is completely unhelpful with regard to interacting with fellow Christians, particularly on this forum.

I hear you, brother. But not all sinners know they are sinners. Or even believe they sin. Jesus called out pharisees for their hypocrisy, but also explained, though breaking the letter of the law was sin (murder, adultery, being inhospitable), he taught that if the spirit of the law is broken you have sinned in your heart. Those that are lost don't understand this, but we know the truth. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. Jesus is the Word, and he made many public statements regarding sin and the need to repent of it. We must do likewise, not in a condemning way, but in a living and truthful way. It is the TRUTH that makes us free.

yes I’m not saying we don’t make jidgements every day of course we do .

we are to take up the judgements Jesus gave us to believe and walk in those judgements and disperse those judgements to people . The point is we aren’t to make up our own judgements we are to share Gods judgements one of which removes Christians from judging , condemning , holding grudges against each other . Even from loookong down on others pointing fingers and such all that stuff is forbidden is my point

good judgement of to speak the things Jesus sent out to the world like for instance not judging other people because Jesus has that part covered

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


do you see how our role has changed from judging each other like Moses taught , and instead not causing one another to stumble in faith ?

I agree that we make judgements daily hourly even but we aren’t to aim judgment at other people until we ourselves can walk on the gospel and not have anything to work on form our own self the blind can’t lead the blind anywhere useful and if we can’t begin and end with a Christs word we’re not seeing clearly

some are appointed to correct and rebuke whatever flock God appointed then over . There’s an order of authority in the church which is agreeable im speaking of general everyday folks like me that aren’t called to rebuke and correct and rebuke everyone when I see them acting in a way I don’t agree with.

im. Ot called to oversee others and my point is that out of a hundred Christians maybe 1 is going to be set in some portion of authority over the others because God called them to be a prophet or pastor or apostle

But the church in general if they aren’t a teacher or pastor or something isn’t in any position I’ve anyone else and in fact the leaders put thereslef last

so I think unless we’re all a group of pointed leaders of the church gifted by God and called we need to stick to learning together discussing the truth about things like repentance but it isn’t “ you the other guy have to repent and do this other thing im telling you or your lost “ it’s more like Jesus said we can’t keep Sinning and be saved so we all need to repent and believe him because his word is true

it’s a group of children trying to grasp thier fathers word of life so we need to stop being the teachers and become the students until we’re promoted by the lord is sort of my position we should learn the right stuff together without the accusations and bickering and constant judgement of each other

Satan is laughing when Christians come together to discuss a gods word of salvstion and instead of working towards love for each other , we take Gods word and Bash each other and scripture fight and accuse of false heresies and correct one another to no end

and then everyone carries grudges and scars from harsh words and there comes all this docoseion and Satan smokes his cigar and leans back and smiles and mocks us because we have eternal life before us and living souls at stake and we can’t hear what Jesus is saying

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I was sure that was your intention with this op

as it stands, the Bible is clear on what we judge. I provided an excellent article (posts 10 + 11) regarding instruction on judging and you are free to ignore it and giggle your way through another misinformation thread

I am familiar with how you goad people to make your opinion seem to be correct but let's not play games. this thread is obviously your desire to get people to see things your way and a continuation from the other thread which did not have many respondents

That the son judges no man, it is the Father's place is a little known fact about the Lord, you must be well read in scripture.

Even when we are instructed about how to manage church discipline in 1 Corinthians 5, the elected ministers of the church do not judge any of the people, they judge the actions of their people. That judgment is of their separate church.

As is stated in 2 Corinthians 5:10,”For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad,” and Revelation 22:12, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done,” Christ isn't going to so much as call people "you fool", but Christ will judge the actions. God will judge for salvation, and that will be on faith alone, not on the works that result in a different kind of reward.

When people on this site assign derogatory labels to people, they are doing what even Christ would not do.[/QUOTE]
1 Corinthians 5:12-13
Easy-to-Read Version
12-13 It is not my business to judge those who are not part of the group of believers. God will judge them, but you must judge those who are part of your group. The Scriptures say, “Make the evil person leave your group.”

1 John 3:14
We know that we have left death and have come into life. We know this because we love each other as brothers and sisters. Anyone who does not love is still in death.

lol right that’s why they need to go to Jesus and learn the gospel. Are Christians called to go Minton Thy world and point out sin ?

or are we called to go preach the gospel to every creature so they can hear and believe and be saved ?

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the requirement for salvstion to hear the true gospel Jesus preached and believe and get baptized because you believe

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Of the pointing out of what sin is and that the person has to repent is in the gospel we’re supposed to share if we send them to the gospel and tell them Jesus said believing will save your soul they will learn what they need to know from him like this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭

“For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭

that’s how a believer is going to be called to repentance by hearing the gospel Jesus preached to call them we have to do this first and foremost before anything

“Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then we’ll learn from him if we believe in him and he teaches us repentance and true righteousness that’s not found elsewhere

Of anyone understands scripture thier conclusion is going to be this

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So I think just my own personal belief is that my role as a Christian is to point to stuff like that , that Jesus said so that of someone is a believer in him , not in me , but in Jesus then they would look to him and hear his words and be saved

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if I’m busy trying to correct and save others it’s gonna be hard for me to send them to Jesus to hear him

I hear you, brother. There's truth in what you state. Like Jesus said of the wind, how we don't know whence it comes or goes, so too is the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
Easy-to-Read Version
12-13 It is not my business to judge those who are not part of the group of believers. God will judge them, but you must judge those who are part of your group. The Scriptures say, “Make the evil person leave your group.”

1 John 3:14
We know that we have left death and have come into life. We know this because we love each other as brothers and sisters. Anyone who does not love is still in death.[/QUOTE]

“That the son judges no man, it is the Father's place is a little known fact about the Lord, you must be well read in scripture.”

this is why you should study the gospel

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬


you should study the gospel and learn about the son and his judgement that will Never change because that is the eternal judgement

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

Consider the son he’s the lord

“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17:30-31‬ ‭

somewhere it says, if you see a fellow believer sinning to gently bring them back to the road. I am paraphrasing.

What does scripture say about restoring a believer in the walk, path?

And there’s also a lot of truth on what you state , we all state our view , I welcome it and of it differs that’s ok with me I think details from everyone fit somewhere in it

stating our case and arguments is how discussion happens even if we have something wrong we can’t learn anything if we don’t consider things we hadn’t known

I heard what you said also and appreciate the good spirit you come with

Galatians 6:1
Berean Study Bible
"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted."
Real Christians have a conscience. Over the years, I've been corrected a number of times. It was done in love and I am thankful now. I can't say that I was so happy at the time. Lord Jesus came to set captives free. Being a slave to pride or rebellion, hate or unforgiveness, bitterness and resentment and such is to be in bondage.

Sometimes we see problems and we take them to the Lord. That's the best way. Sometimes we are blind and we need someone else to point it out. I've been helped both ways. Seeing it yourself is a good thing, as long as we don't get so overcome by problems that they become larger than God's grace. Satan is the accuser of the brethren, not God.

If problems were dealt with early in the Christian's life, it makes it easier down the track. Getting saved is the easiest thing there is. It's God's work. Being set free (the salvation of the soul) is a lifetime work and can be traumatic. To be born again costs nothing. To be spiritual costs everything. Some have allowed the log to be taken out of their eyes. They are qualified to help others.

We dare not become self righteous pharisees seeking to correct every perceived flaw in everyone's character. Lord Jesus is the Author and finisher of our faith. But there are times when it is necessary to rebuke or correct someone. Paul was not afraid to point out Peter's hypocrisy. Peter did not turn away from Paul, instead he accepted the rebuke. Sure it's hard. We risk losing a brother if we correct him. But it is better than watching him fall into deeper sin and creating more grief for himself.

I regularly pray for wisdom. We all need it when dealing with the brethren.

Berean Study Bible Galatians 6:1
Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

This:
Berean Study Bible
"Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted." Galatians 6:1

James speaks of restoration

@Pilgrimshope you are only fit to Judge me if you have a rod of iron to wack me with.. now Judge that and rebuke me.

It has not yet been given to us to judge to condemnation.

However we are taught we must judge for ourselves what is right. If we do not we are deemed hypocrites.
Again we judge for ourselves and we are not a new law for others to agree. What we judge of others is in the sight of God, thus He knows we are being honest, however when we think ourselves ultimate in our judgging we err.
This contradicts itself, yet it is true, and true in the sight of our Father. So, judge, but only for yourself in the sight of god.
God bless you.