Am I fit to judge other Christians ?

Pilgrimshope · Jul 7, 2021

Christians should Make judgements about all things pertaining to thier own life based on Gods word ,because they will Be the one to answer for all those things we control and choose and do and say

but in order to correct and judge others , we need to look in the mirror first and see if we ourselves can agree with Jesus Christ before we think to correct others regarding the truth . What I’ve found is almost everyone that is judge mental towards others will avoid what Jesus taught and explain why it doesn’t apply.

notice judging others isn’t just “ frowned upon “ There’s a consequence also for judging others according to the Lord I mean not theology agreed upon by people but just what Jesus said was salvation when he taught it

“Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:

and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,

but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we want to set judgement for others we need to first see if we can even listen to Gods word without rejecting it could you sit among believers and hear the sermon on the Mount and believe ?

this is a small sample

“Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:3-12, 22, 28-29, 32, 39-48‬ ‭

if we can hear things like this and go away feeling we don’t have a pretty large plank in our vision , and a lot of room to repent and turn to his ways and accept that we need Tim learn about forgiveness and mercy like he said to be saved because we’re already sinners we need to change our judgement over to Jesus judgements like above I think we are fit to judge people when we can walk out the gospel in our own life

or if we have to explain why Jesus words don’t have any meaning and we don’t need to hear and believe his word to have godly judgement in that case we’re just avoiding the truth and pretending because we can’t face it

but then if it humbled us to hear the gospel preaching of the lord Jesus , and made us think “Maybe I’m not as righteous and obedient to the gospel as I reckoned myself before I heard and believed the lord “

of it makes us think “ I really
Need a lot of help and mercy from the lord spirit to change my ways , to his ways , because I don’t fit the bill yet but I believe “

then we are going to find eternal
Life by faith and realize we’re not meant to judge each other’s sins , edify yes , point to Gods call to repentance for all Of us yes. Discuss price talk some terrible thing someone did , yes

go around with a judge mental attitude and spirit as if we are something special and better than those sinners over there or someone needs to believe in me to be saved , emphatically NO

Christians will Never judge you by your sins they will be telling you about Jesus who is able to take those sins away that’s my take I’m nOt fit to judge anyone else in Christ , but I do personally know the judge like you do 😍🙏😇 and he’s given his judgements that can change our thinking and ways. If we hear and believe we can receive good judgement

and it’s great because only Jesus can judge you others can make the attempt but it’s just thier own avoidance of the gospel truth

we should look to the things Jesus taught about salvstion and turn our understanding and faith towards him

Gideon300 · Jul 8, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Christians should Make judgements about all things pertaining to thier own life based on Gods word ,because they will Be the one to answer for all those things we control and choose and do and say

but in order to correct and judge others , we need to look in the mirror first and see if we ourselves can agree with Jesus Christ before we think to correct others regarding the truth . What I’ve found is almost everyone that is judge mental towards others will avoid what Jesus taught and explain why it doesn’t apply.

notice judging others isn’t just “ frowned upon “ There’s a consequence also for judging others according to the Lord I mean not theology agreed upon by people but just what Jesus said was salvation when he taught it

“Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:

and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,

but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we want to set judgement for others we need to first see if we can even listen to Gods word without rejecting it could you sit among believers and hear the sermon on the Mount and believe ?

this is a small sample

“Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:3-12, 22, 28-29, 32, 39-48‬ ‭

if we can hear things like this and go away feeling we don’t have a pretty large plank in our vision , and a lot of room to repent and turn to his ways and accept that we need Tim learn about forgiveness and mercy like he said to be saved because we’re already sinners we need to change our judgement over to Jesus judgements like above I think we are fit to judge people when we can walk out the gospel in our own life

or if we have to explain why Jesus words don’t have any meaning and we don’t need to hear and believe his word to have godly judgement in that case we’re just avoiding the truth and pretending because we can’t face it

but then if it humbled us to hear the gospel preaching of the lord Jesus , and made us think “Maybe I’m not as righteous and obedient to the gospel as I reckoned myself before I heard and believed the lord “

of it makes us think “ I really
Need a lot of help and mercy from the lord spirit to change my ways , to his ways , because I don’t fit the bill yet but I believe “

then we are going to find eternal
Life by faith and realize we’re not meant to judge each other’s sins , edify yes , point to Gods call to repentance for all Of us yes. Discuss price talk some terrible thing someone did , yes

go around with a judge mental attitude and spirit as if we are something special and better than those sinners over there or someone needs to believe in me to be saved , emphatically NO

Christians will Never judge you by your sins they will be telling you about Jesus who is able to take those sins away that’s my take I’m nOt fit to judge anyone else in Christ , but I do personally know the judge like you do 😍🙏😇 and he’s given his judgements that can change our thinking and ways. If we hear and believe we can receive good judgement

and it’s great because only Jesus can judge you others can make the attempt but it’s just thier own avoidance of the gospel truth

we should look to the things Jesus taught about salvstion and turn our understanding and faith towards him

Depends on what you mean by judging. There are two meanings. One is as in a court of law. The other is as in discerning. A doctor or a coach judges but they are justified in doing so. Christians may not pass judgement as a judge does, but some are qualified to judge the latter way. Lord Jesus said that we should take the log out of our own eyes. Some are advanced enough in the Lord that they do see clearly enough to help.
1 Corinthians 2:15
The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 8, 2021

Gideon300 said:

amen sonGid someone else received the holy spirit , i have no authority to judge them in any way because thy ya aren’t subject to my judgement having the spirit themselves so this is now who that are judged by because they are a believer as am I

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭

so as the saints will judge the world , and we make judgements everyday about our own lives and decisions and choices ect of we receive Gods judgement and believe then we become subject to his judgements alone and are forbidden from judging other Christians relationship with thier shepherd and bishop and apostle and lord Jesus Christ who is also the judge of us all no matter how spiritual we get we still have a judge and it isn’t each other

judgements about thkngs , offering good advice , noticing someone living in some sinful way and being a believer and going privately to them and discussing it with them as a brother who cares , ect all those things are good judgements because it’s what Jesus taught

but I guess what I’m inquiring is thoughts about whether or not one Christian believer has my authority of judgement over another believer in Christ ?

I’m pretty firm that we aren’t the judge of others but we have been if we believe the gospel , given godly judgement about everything which includes not judging each o her condemning each other accusing each other bearing grudges and looking down on earth other because we notice some defect in another

Inner judgements then becomes outer judgements and accusations , basically I guess I’m meaning should we be peering at others sins , or should we be focused on whether or not we are walking the walk

TheLearner · Jul 8, 2021

why waste time judging anyone?

There is a command love your neighbor.

Dino246 · Jul 8, 2021

This topic seems to be missing a definition or an explanation of "judging". Without that, it seems to be unstable ground for a discussion.

It is considered "judging" whenever another person feels judged?

Is pointing out a logical fallacy "judging"?

Is disagreeing with someone's interpretation of Scripture "judging"?

Blik · Jul 8, 2021

[QUOTE="Pilgrimshope, post: 4596456, member: 300996"
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭

so as the saints will judge the world , and we make judgements everyday about our own lives and decisions and choices ect of we receive Gods judgement and believe then we become subject to his judgements alone and are forbidden from judging other Christians relationship with thier shepherd and bishop and apostle and lord Jesus Christ who is also the judge of us all no matter how spiritual we get we still have a judge and it isn’t each other

judgements about thkngs , offering good advice , noticing someone living in some sinful way and being a believer and going privately to them and discussing it with them as a brother who cares , ect all those things are good judgements because it’s what Jesus taught

but I guess what I’m inquiring is thoughts about whether or not one Christian believer has my authority of judgement over another believer in Christ ?

I’m pretty firm that we aren’t the judge of others but we have been if we believe the gospel , given godly judgement about everything which includes not judging each o her condemning each other accusing each other bearing grudges and looking down on earth other because we notice some defect in another

Inner judgements then becomes outer judgements and accusations , basically I guess I’m meaning should we be peering at others sins , or should we be focused on whether or not we are walking the walk[/QUOTE] That the son judges no man, it is the Father's place is a little known fact about the Lord, you must be well read in scripture.

Even when we are instructed about how to manage church discipline in 1 Corinthians 5, the elected ministers of the church do not judge any of the people, they judge the actions of their people. That judgment is of their separate church.

As is stated in 2 Corinthians 5:10,”For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad,” and Revelation 22:12, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done,” Christ isn't going to so much as call people "you fool", but Christ will judge the actions. God will judge for salvation, and that will be on faith alone, not on the works that result in a different kind of reward.

When people on this site assign derogatory labels to people, they are doing what even Christ would not do.

Blik · Jul 8, 2021

[QUOTE="Pilgrimshope, post: 4596456, member: 300996"
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭

so as the saints will judge the world , and we make judgements everyday about our own lives and decisions and choices ect of we receive Gods judgement and believe then we become subject to his judgements alone and are forbidden from judging other Christians relationship with thier shepherd and bishop and apostle and lord Jesus Christ who is also the judge of us all no matter how spiritual we get we still have a judge and it isn’t each other

judgements about thkngs , offering good advice , noticing someone living in some sinful way and being a believer and going privately to them and discussing it with them as a brother who cares , ect all those things are good judgements because it’s what Jesus taught

but I guess what I’m inquiring is thoughts about whether or not one Christian believer has my authority of judgement over another believer in Christ ?

I’m pretty firm that we aren’t the judge of others but we have been if we believe the gospel , given godly judgement about everything which includes not judging each o her condemning each other accusing each other bearing grudges and looking down on earth other because we notice some defect in another

Inner judgements then becomes outer judgements and accusations , basically I guess I’m meaning should we be peering at others sins , or should we be focused on whether or not we are walking the walk[/QUOTE] That the son judges no man, it is the Father's place is a little known fact about the Lord, you must be well read in scripture.

Even when we are instructed about how to manage church discipline in 1 Corinthians 5, the elected ministers of the church do not judge any of the people, they judge the actions of their people. That judgment is of their separate church.

As is stated in 2 Corinthians 5:10,”For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad,” and Revelation 22:12, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done,” Christ isn't going to so much as call people "you fool", but Christ will judge the actions. God will judge for salvation, and that will be on faith alone, not on the works that result in a different kind of reward.

When people on this site assign derogatory labels to people, they are doing what even Christ would not do.

SophieT · Jul 9, 2021

Dino246 said:

Yeah I think we know the answer to that one and the why behind the creation of this op

SophieT · Jul 9, 2021

Blik said:

Oh I don't know about that.

Jesus had plenty to say about hypocrisy and he labelled the hypocrites

the problem you are having, is becoming so angry at people who try to show you the error you commit every time you combine the law and salvation

I'm not going to waste my time going back and forth with you again, but most people here know exactly what you do and the way you defend yourself time and again by condemning those who have actually tried to help you

you also do not appear to have a good understanding regarding judgement. you entire view of judgement is you trying to say others judge you and they have no right to do so. However, the Bible itself points out your error and judges your opinions so we'll just leave it at that.

and again, not going to have a dispute or a back and forth with you because having had many already, I know how useless that is

SophieT · Jul 9, 2021

Jesus’ command not to judge others could be the most widely quoted of His sayings, even though it is almost invariably quoted in complete disregard of its context. Here is Jesus’ statement: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). Many people use this verse in an attempt to silence their critics, interpreting Jesus’ meaning as “You don’t have the right to tell me I’m wrong.” Taken in isolation, Jesus’ command “Do not judge” does indeed seem to preclude all negative assessments. However, there is much more to the passage than those three words.

The Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean we cannot show discernment. Immediately after Jesus says, “Do not judge,” He says, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs” (Matthew 7:6). A little later in the same sermon, He says, “Watch out for false prophets. . . . By their fruit you will recognize them” (verses 15–16). How are we to discern who are the “dogs” and “pigs” and “false prophets” unless we have the ability to make a judgment call on doctrines and deeds? Jesus is giving us permission to tell right from wrong.

Also, the Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean all actions are equally moral or that truth is relative. The Bible clearly teaches that truth is objective, eternal, and inseparable from God’s character. Anything that contradicts the truth is a lie—but, of course, to call something a “lie” is to pass judgment. To call adultery or murder a sin is likewise to pass judgment—but it’s also to agree with God. When Jesus said not to judge others, He did not mean that no one can identify sin for what it is, based on God’s definition of sin.

And the Bible’s command that we not judge others does not mean there should be no mechanism for dealing with sin. The Bible has a whole book entitled Judges. The judges in the Old Testament were raised up by God Himself (Judges 2:18). The modern judicial system, including its judges, is a necessary part of society. In saying, “Do not judge,” Jesus was not saying, “Anything goes.”

Elsewhere, Jesus gives a direct command to judge: “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly” (John 7:24). Here we have a clue as to the right type of judgment versus the wrong type. Taking this verse and some others, we can put together a description of the sinful type of judgment:
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SophieT · Jul 9, 2021

continuation of article above

Superficial judgment is wrong. Passing judgment on someone based solely on appearances is sinful (John 7:24). It is foolish to jump to conclusions before investigating the facts (Proverbs 18:13). Simon the Pharisee passed judgment on a woman based on her appearance and reputation, but he could not see that the woman had been forgiven; Simon thus drew Jesus’ rebuke for his unrighteous judgment (Luke 7:36–50).

Hypocritical judgment is wrong. Jesus’ command not to judge others in Matthew 7:1 is preceded by comparisons to hypocrites (Matthew 6:2, 5, 16) and followed by a warning against hypocrisy (Matthew 7:3–5). When we point out the sin of others while we ourselves commit the same sin, we condemn ourselves (Romans 2:1).

Harsh, unforgiving judgment is wrong. We are “always to be gentle toward everyone” (Titus 3:2). It is the merciful who will be shown mercy (Matthew 5:7), and, as Jesus warned, “In the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you” (Matthew 7:2).

Self-righteous judgment is wrong. We are called to humility, and “God opposes the proud” (James 4:6). The Pharisee in Jesus’ parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector was confident in his own righteousness and from that proud position judged the publican; however, God sees the heart and refused to forgive the Pharisee’s sin (Luke 18:9–14).

Untrue judgment is wrong. The Bible clearly forbids bearing false witness (Proverbs 19:5). “Slander no one” (Titus 3:2).

Christians are often accused of “judging” or intolerance when they speak out against sin. But opposing sin is not wrong. Holding aloft the standard of righteousness naturally defines unrighteousness and draws the slings and arrows of those who choose sin over godliness. John the Baptist incurred the ire of Herodias when he spoke out against her adultery with Herod (Mark 6:18–19). She eventually silenced John, but she could not silence the truth (Isaiah 40:8).

Believers are warned against judging others unfairly or unrighteously, but Jesus commends “right judgment” (John 7:24, ESV). We are to be discerning (Colossians 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:21). We are to preach the whole counsel of God, including the Bible’s teaching on sin (Acts 20:27; 2 Timothy 4:2). We are to gently confront erring brothers or sisters in Christ (Galatians 6:1). We are to practice church discipline (Matthew 18:15–17). We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15).

JerryInBoston · Jul 9, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Christians should Make judgements about all things pertaining to thier own life based on Gods word ,because they will Be the one to answer for all those things we control and choose and do and say

but in order to correct and judge others , we need to look in the mirror first and see if we ourselves can agree with Jesus Christ before we think to correct others regarding the truth . What I’ve found is almost everyone that is judge mental towards others will avoid what Jesus taught and explain why it doesn’t apply.

notice judging others isn’t just “ frowned upon “ There’s a consequence also for judging others according to the Lord I mean not theology agreed upon by people but just what Jesus said was salvation when he taught it

“Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:

and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,

but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we want to set judgement for others we need to first see if we can even listen to Gods word without rejecting it could you sit among believers and hear the sermon on the Mount and believe ?

this is a small sample

“Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:3-12, 22, 28-29, 32, 39-48‬ ‭

if we can hear things like this and go away feeling we don’t have a pretty large plank in our vision , and a lot of room to repent and turn to his ways and accept that we need Tim learn about forgiveness and mercy like he said to be saved because we’re already sinners we need to change our judgement over to Jesus judgements like above I think we are fit to judge people when we can walk out the gospel in our own life

or if we have to explain why Jesus words don’t have any meaning and we don’t need to hear and believe his word to have godly judgement in that case we’re just avoiding the truth and pretending because we can’t face it

but then if it humbled us to hear the gospel preaching of the lord Jesus , and made us think “Maybe I’m not as righteous and obedient to the gospel as I reckoned myself before I heard and believed the lord “

of it makes us think “ I really
Need a lot of help and mercy from the lord spirit to change my ways , to his ways , because I don’t fit the bill yet but I believe “

then we are going to find eternal
Life by faith and realize we’re not meant to judge each other’s sins , edify yes , point to Gods call to repentance for all Of us yes. Discuss price talk some terrible thing someone did , yes

go around with a judge mental attitude and spirit as if we are something special and better than those sinners over there or someone needs to believe in me to be saved , emphatically NO

Christians will Never judge you by your sins they will be telling you about Jesus who is able to take those sins away that’s my take I’m nOt fit to judge anyone else in Christ , but I do personally know the judge like you do 😍🙏😇 and he’s given his judgements that can change our thinking and ways. If we hear and believe we can receive good judgement

and it’s great because only Jesus can judge you others can make the attempt but it’s just thier own avoidance of the gospel truth

we should look to the things Jesus taught about salvstion and turn our understanding and faith towards him

Jesus warns us to judge our brother and sister's sin only after we have removed sin from our own hearts. If we judge, we can judge positively and negatively. For instance: in courts of law, criminal defendants are judge either guilty or judged not guilty. We judge, but we don't condemn. Condemnation is the exclusive purview of God.

SophieT · Jul 9, 2021

so the question the op asks, 'Am I fit to judge other Christians', is not accurate. Judgement is not a question of who is 'fit' because none of us are 'fit' in that sense. We all have sinned and come short of meeting God's holiness.

However, the emphasis being placed by the op on judgement, seems to refer to judging people as an accuser and that is not what the Bible means. When speaking of judging, a person needs to understand that we can actually judge. We need to discern and if someone is teaching error or speaking blasphemy we should most certainly judge that and point it out

Much of the New Testament was written to correct error, so to say we should never judge does not fall within the perimeters of biblical understanding

And of course we are also to point out sin such as adultery...or fornication...or witchcraft and so on.

If a person is uncomfortable with discerning or judging, then perhaps they need to undersand it is for the good of all to stop the spread of error or blasphemy. Church discipline is badly neglected in this century.

tourist · Jul 9, 2021

TheLearner said:

That's what the Good Book says.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 9, 2021

JerryInBoston said:

yea I think my faith tells
Me until I have no flaws I shouldn’t judge people rather I should be humble and tell them about Jesus who can heal thier sin and wash it away , forgive us and strengthen and teach us salvation if we turn to him and begin to believe

I think good judgement is to tell people about the judge and his judgement and let them alone with him I think when we judge people it gets in his way so he’s waiting for us to stop throwing stones and look at our own self

Seems harsh drives away other believers so he can begin to have a relationship with us and call us to repentance like this he saves sinners of other sinners get out of his way

“And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:

and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:3-5, 7, 9-11‬ ‭

I think when we look intently at our own flaws and shortcomings forst we’re going to always drop the stones if we don’t refuse to hear the gospel

one of the things that’s wonderful about Jesus is he will take away mans judgement over us and then we can know the savior and his love , his teachings and instructions , his assurance and his warnings

I think he’s always going to drive away accusers and welcome repentance sinners

Pilgrimshope · Jul 9, 2021

SophieT said:

Lol back to cause more arguing huh

Pilgrimshope · Jul 9, 2021

Dino246 said:

let’s see what Christ said ? Can we say this guy judges a sinner ?

I submit that this is a perfect example of judging someone a sinner who’s attempting to come to Jesus

“And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat. And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:36-39‬ ‭

he is judging her unworthy to touch her savior because he is looking from a perch at her his attitude is “ in worthy this sinner is nOt worthy “

all things soirit his judgement of her being unclean then made my action he would have taken against her wrong because his heart had judged this unclean sinner and judged his own self perfectly worthy to sit with Jesus

and it’s strange Jesus doesn’t even talk to her about sin he instead turns his correction to the Pharisee judging her in his mind and heart

Jesus is teaching us that we aren’t anyone else’s judge , our only place is to share the gospel with other sinners not assume the role of judge as if we are somehow better than a sinner that’s a flawed oerception it’s caused because we don’t want to acknowledge our own sins , it’s better for us if we peer at the others sins and forget about ours

we need to be jidgementwl towards our sins and then talk About repentance and faith but not from a position of judgement as if I’m not in the same boat

we need to learn to not judge people like the oharisee did if we can reach the point of not doing what he did we won’t ever be condemning and judging people

CS1 · Jul 9, 2021

JerryInBoston said:

the idea of judging and passing judgment is not the same. the term " to Judge" is said 201 times

1cor chapter 5& 6:2- 5

2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?

Paul is speaking about the Law that is in context to Morality as you will see in a moment. Those who do not speak the truth od sin in love are cheating those who are in sin :

Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?

8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[fn] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 9, 2021

CS1 said:

the idea of judging and passing judgment is not the same. the term " to Judge" is said 201 times

1cor chapter 5& 6:2- 5

2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?

Paul is speaking about the Law that is in context to Morality as you will see in a moment. Those who do not speak the truth od sin in love are cheating those who are in sin :

Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?

8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[fn] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

the one thing “ saints” don’t judge is one another

Pilgrimshope · Jul 9, 2021

TheLearner said:

ues sort of the point of the post to address the very issue of. Ot wastinf time judging other people because it isn’t our place to do that . It’s a waste of time and also backfires on us because it becomes our judgement when we do that

So it’s not just a bad idea ot also affects the persons judgement they face

“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

point is we shouldn’t be judging each other Christ does that for us.

Am I fit to judge other Christians ?

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