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that's fine de-emerald. I have no problem with that
however, twisting what I or others say is not going to go over too well, so please try not to do that and if someone says you are doing that, perhaps make an effort to go back and read their post and see where that happened
I would hope we all do the same
however, twisting what I or others say is not going to go over too well, so please try not to do that and if someone says you are doing that, perhaps make an effort to go back and read their post and see where that happened
I would hope we all do the same
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Im ok with that, im a great fan of the song come on lets twist and shout like we did last summer. no im only joking lol.
seariously now twisting is a nature of the enemy, our enemy is a narcist who twists everything and you know the nature of a narcist is to always put other people down befor they accept responseability for them selfs, and some narcists are so bad they never will. any how i cant say thank God im not like that Guy because i would become an unfavored tax collector lol.
seariously now twisting is a nature of the enemy, our enemy is a narcist who twists everything and you know the nature of a narcist is to always put other people down befor they accept responseability for them selfs, and some narcists are so bad they never will. any how i cant say thank God im not like that Guy because i would become an unfavored tax collector lol.
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
that begins here , it only comes from the begotten son
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22
consider what was beforehand that came through Moses the ot was a shadow of the real things as our flesh is a shadow of the spirit within us so are the two covenants
“For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
Hebrews 8:4-6 KJV
The Old Testament is a foreshadow and blueprint example through mans flesh service , like foods and ceremonial obedience , endless rules and tediously written purposely , ceremonial ordinances and rituals . And it was meant to last until the people would receive the spirit , and they would then need a new better spiritual and wternal
Law to match thier eternal
Life and heavenly kingdom of promise in a new creation ahead .
better promises , better word because one eas to serve God , through denying our flesh “ Thou shalt not “
the other new covenant coming with Jesus is about acknowledging the spirit and filling the spirit and letting the flesh die out. So we’re told not “ Thou shalt not do thy is flesh man “
we’re told “ believe and learn from
The messiah and trust in him with all your heart and you will be saved from the coming wrath upon wickedness in the earth
all We need is in Christ and the gospel the foreshadows poorly seen in the law behind the veil is now on full open display in the gospel of we try to serve God by the flesh way the law that’s made for those with no spirit we’ll fail again and again
but if we trust in Jesus and his way it’s going to fill us with Gods spirit and save our souls with a better covenant , better lasting promises beyond and after death we shall live it’s sommuch better than the law in every way the law is good , the gospel is great and they are seperate covenants for spiritual on one hand born again of the spirit needs a word of spirit and life
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Jesus words bring life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Where as Moses law is for this reason according to his words
“Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?”
Deuteronomy 31:26-27
so our life is here
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.”
Colossians 2:8-12, 14-
the law was only Meant for the people who never received the Holy Ghost and got born again into the eternal
Kingdom the gospel is where the entirety of that covenant is found Moses had only foretold It would come later after he was gone
1 John 5:20 KJV
that begins here , it only comes from the begotten son
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22
consider what was beforehand that came through Moses the ot was a shadow of the real things as our flesh is a shadow of the spirit within us so are the two covenants
“For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
Hebrews 8:4-6 KJV
The Old Testament is a foreshadow and blueprint example through mans flesh service , like foods and ceremonial obedience , endless rules and tediously written purposely , ceremonial ordinances and rituals . And it was meant to last until the people would receive the spirit , and they would then need a new better spiritual and wternal
Law to match thier eternal
Life and heavenly kingdom of promise in a new creation ahead .
better promises , better word because one eas to serve God , through denying our flesh “ Thou shalt not “
the other new covenant coming with Jesus is about acknowledging the spirit and filling the spirit and letting the flesh die out. So we’re told not “ Thou shalt not do thy is flesh man “
we’re told “ believe and learn from
The messiah and trust in him with all your heart and you will be saved from the coming wrath upon wickedness in the earth
all We need is in Christ and the gospel the foreshadows poorly seen in the law behind the veil is now on full open display in the gospel of we try to serve God by the flesh way the law that’s made for those with no spirit we’ll fail again and again
but if we trust in Jesus and his way it’s going to fill us with Gods spirit and save our souls with a better covenant , better lasting promises beyond and after death we shall live it’s sommuch better than the law in every way the law is good , the gospel is great and they are seperate covenants for spiritual on one hand born again of the spirit needs a word of spirit and life
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
Jesus words bring life
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
Where as Moses law is for this reason according to his words
“Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?”
Deuteronomy 31:26-27
so our life is here
“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.”
Colossians 2:8-12, 14-
the law was only Meant for the people who never received the Holy Ghost and got born again into the eternal
Kingdom the gospel is where the entirety of that covenant is found Moses had only foretold It would come later after he was gone
im just reqoting you here because im not sure if where on the same page.
1 Corinthians 6:18-19
18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Ok so how can sexually sins be a sin against your own body ?
my answer would be because your body experiances the pleasure. but the sin is you should not look for pleasure and commit a sin. which is defiling your own body.
Ok so now for some reason taking canibis and heroin and coke and lsd and smoking ciggerettes is not in our bible.
now maybe because drugs of that nature where not around then, But if they was dont you think it would be the same sin as above because the body is expeiencing pleasure but your seaking pleasure and commiting sin and defiling your body, which then goes with this scripture.
1 Cor 16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
So these scriptures above is for born again christians. so can the holy spirit dwell in a christian who defiles is own body this way.
1 Cor 16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
1 Corinthians 6:18-19
18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Ok so how can sexually sins be a sin against your own body ?
my answer would be because your body experiances the pleasure. but the sin is you should not look for pleasure and commit a sin. which is defiling your own body.
Ok so now for some reason taking canibis and heroin and coke and lsd and smoking ciggerettes is not in our bible.
now maybe because drugs of that nature where not around then, But if they was dont you think it would be the same sin as above because the body is expeiencing pleasure but your seaking pleasure and commiting sin and defiling your body, which then goes with this scripture.
1 Cor 16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
So these scriptures above is for born again christians. so can the holy spirit dwell in a christian who defiles is own body this way.
1 Cor 16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.
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Yes. But it is still taking in
This body will not go to heaven. People who lose limbs or been blown to bits have not defiled the body. God will resurrect them whole
So when I think of those sins, I think of the root cause. of what we SHOULD be doing. Not thinking it is defiling the body so I should stop. Which is trying to perfect yourself in the flesh.
I have tried it, it failed..
This body will not go to heaven. People who lose limbs or been blown to bits have not defiled the body. God will resurrect them whole
So when I think of those sins, I think of the root cause. of what we SHOULD be doing. Not thinking it is defiling the body so I should stop. Which is trying to perfect yourself in the flesh.
I have tried it, it failed..
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Sex outside of its parameters of which God created it can the soul, To me this is what is being said.
I can take drugs and get a high and be healed.
If I use sex, I can destroy relationships. Destroy my own capacity to have a relationship. There are so many things which can happen.
I think this is why it is a sin against the body. while the other sins are not.
I can take drugs and get a high and be healed.
If I use sex, I can destroy relationships. Destroy my own capacity to have a relationship. There are so many things which can happen.
I think this is why it is a sin against the body. while the other sins are not.
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I fully understand everything you have wrote in your post apart from what you wrote here. and for most part your post is correct. But the holy laws of holy laws which can be seen in the whole bible, and in allmost every verse, is for being wise to defeating the enemy. Which is something we have to suit up boot up for every day, Now i know that Its Jesus who defeats the enemy, How ever something is very important that we are required to do and that is to obey. Because Gods grace is considerate to those who abide in him but also considerate to those who reject him.
There is a warning there. Just as much as there is a warning in Judas who betrayed Jesus and satan entered him.
There are many many more warnings for christians in the form of obeying Gods holy laws and how important it is to do this, because the enemy is looking to steal christians from God as much as none christians. and probably more so christians.
Here we see why
1 peter 5
6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 7 Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.
8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.
The above laws are for christians being giving clear instructions on behalf of Gods holy laws that we are required toobey and do this for our selfs.
So while you say the law is only given for sinners and for those not born of the holy spirit i say the law is given for much much more.
The most important part of the law whether it be called the law of moses or cerimonial law. or the holy law or whatever, is the whole bible is a set of laws on defeating spiritual wicked high forces. So that they dont lead you a stray, this is the most important part of the law to me not that its for sinners. Jesus himself spoke many of theese laws for that reasons that are just as much as valid for christians today as they where befor the holy spirit was Given, why well many times Jesus speaks highly of the law that is called the law of moses.
One of them being this one
Luke 24:44
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
I realise that you me or everybody can not be freed through the law of moses. how ever we should not forget that the law of moses is the law of God. And the most important part whilst we can not freed by the law of moses we can remain free by obeying the laws that Jesus spoke about. Some of those laws are mirror images of what you call the law of moses,
One of them great laws of Jesus is the same as what you call the law of moses. which proves it isnt the law of moses but the law of Jesus,
deauteronomy 6:5
5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Deuteronomy 10:19-21
New International Version
19 And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. 20 Fear the Lord your God and serve him
These two laws you call the law moses are the same as Jesus greatest law
wrote here
Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
There you have it. Its not the law of moses. the law of moses is just an expression.
There is no such law as the law of moses because ultimately those laws came from God
There is a warning there. Just as much as there is a warning in Judas who betrayed Jesus and satan entered him.
There are many many more warnings for christians in the form of obeying Gods holy laws and how important it is to do this, because the enemy is looking to steal christians from God as much as none christians. and probably more so christians.
Here we see why
1 peter 5
6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 7 Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.
8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
10 And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast. 11 To him be the power for ever and ever. Amen.
The above laws are for christians being giving clear instructions on behalf of Gods holy laws that we are required toobey and do this for our selfs.
So while you say the law is only given for sinners and for those not born of the holy spirit i say the law is given for much much more.
The most important part of the law whether it be called the law of moses or cerimonial law. or the holy law or whatever, is the whole bible is a set of laws on defeating spiritual wicked high forces. So that they dont lead you a stray, this is the most important part of the law to me not that its for sinners. Jesus himself spoke many of theese laws for that reasons that are just as much as valid for christians today as they where befor the holy spirit was Given, why well many times Jesus speaks highly of the law that is called the law of moses.
One of them being this one
Luke 24:44
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
I realise that you me or everybody can not be freed through the law of moses. how ever we should not forget that the law of moses is the law of God. And the most important part whilst we can not freed by the law of moses we can remain free by obeying the laws that Jesus spoke about. Some of those laws are mirror images of what you call the law of moses,
One of them great laws of Jesus is the same as what you call the law of moses. which proves it isnt the law of moses but the law of Jesus,
deauteronomy 6:5
5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Deuteronomy 10:19-21
New International Version
19 And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt. 20 Fear the Lord your God and serve him
These two laws you call the law moses are the same as Jesus greatest law
wrote here
Matthew 22:36-40
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
There you have it. Its not the law of moses. the law of moses is just an expression.
There is no such law as the law of moses because ultimately those laws came from God
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can you accept scripture if it point blank says something you think it does not say? (hope that makes sense to you)
some people really cannot. you can give them every passage or verse in scripture that illustrates their error and they will ignore it or twist it...it's like they are under a spell
what do you think of the above
some people really cannot. you can give them every passage or verse in scripture that illustrates their error and they will ignore it or twist it...it's like they are under a spell
what do you think of the above
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it's not about how much scripture I have figured out. context is absolutely 'key'. people will take a verse, run with it and come out the other side with some bizarre doctrine and voila you have yourself a new cult. they will read something like this:
And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught. I John 2:27
and take it to mean 'oh goody. I don't have to listen to anyone and God is going to teach me personally'. That is a wrong understanding and yet you find people like that, on this forum for sure, who think they have some kind of superior understanding, while basically they have gone off the path and are in deception.
now how should that verse be understood? well, in context...both in the setting in which we find it AND in harmony with other scripture that may seem like it says something different. for example, if one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is teaching, than can or should a person come to the conclusion they do not need to be taught?
looking at the verses before and after 27, we see this:
24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.
26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
28And now, little children, remain in Christ, so that when He appears, we may be confident and unashamed before Him at His coming.
29If you know that He is righteous, you also know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.
reading the whole book or chapter is the best understanding and knowing something of the history of the early church and the Apostle John gives even more light on the matter, but suffice it to say John is writing to believers who have a history of being taught and know what John is saying. They have accepted the truth as taught by those who knew Jesus in the flesh and are filled with the Spirit of God. In other words, they have a solid FOUNDATION in the truth.
well that's alot, but that is the type of thing I am talking about
And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught. I John 2:27
and take it to mean 'oh goody. I don't have to listen to anyone and God is going to teach me personally'. That is a wrong understanding and yet you find people like that, on this forum for sure, who think they have some kind of superior understanding, while basically they have gone off the path and are in deception.
now how should that verse be understood? well, in context...both in the setting in which we find it AND in harmony with other scripture that may seem like it says something different. for example, if one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is teaching, than can or should a person come to the conclusion they do not need to be taught?
looking at the verses before and after 27, we see this:
24As for you, let what you have heard from the beginning remain in you. If it does, you will also remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that He Himself made to us: eternal life.
26I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His true and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
28And now, little children, remain in Christ, so that when He appears, we may be confident and unashamed before Him at His coming.
29If you know that He is righteous, you also know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.
reading the whole book or chapter is the best understanding and knowing something of the history of the early church and the Apostle John gives even more light on the matter, but suffice it to say John is writing to believers who have a history of being taught and know what John is saying. They have accepted the truth as taught by those who knew Jesus in the flesh and are filled with the Spirit of God. In other words, they have a solid FOUNDATION in the truth.
well that's alot, but that is the type of thing I am talking about
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I agree with this part and always will I would add to repent first though
“something is very important that we are required to do and that is to obey.”
but it’s a matter of who we have to obey and we have to first believe the right word to keep it , they aren’t the same like you are thinking is my opinion that begins to part from yours I don’t really disagree with most of what you usually say and never take it personal when we don’t fully agree.
I just feel your missing something far better because you are tying the two together somewhat but this is true
“Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.”
Acts 13:38-41
Moses law could never do what Jesus gospel does it’s about imparting sin , the gospel is about remitting and removing sin from our hearts so we don’t keep sinning by the flesh law
If you need justofocation to believe this consider Paul’s saying here I think that you aren’t beginning here at baptism in the New Testament and are beginning before Jesus came into the picture and provided the New Testament consider how this affected everything and then if you would try to explain how you see this and how it affects Moses doctrine
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7
so far pretty simple it’s along argument so I will tie it to what I’m saying about the law Paul continues and eventually gets to this point of why we’re supposed to have died in baptism and why that’s important
“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?”
Romans 7:1 KJV
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Matthew 13:18-23)
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness of spirit,
and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
can you apply this stuff to our talk about the law and New Testament? Or am I losing you ?
do you see how the law was a detriment because man is not perfect so it induces and imparts sinful actions and accusation ? And how the gospel is about repenting and having our sins remitted ?
this was the intent and extent of the laws capability is why it says Moses law could save like Jesus
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
it was and is inferior to the gospel being designed to condemn the flesh so we could be born of the spirit through Christ and his word
the law never offered the Holy Spirit, Jesus word does , never promised eternal
Life , Jesus word does , never promised repentance and remission of sins , Jesus word does , Moses law imparts sin Jesus gospel remits sin . It was a poorly seen reflection of what was coming to the world in Christ
One demands no pity and for the hearer to judge each other and stone each other , one commands don’t do any of that but me merciful to those whom offend you don’t take revenge like Moses allowed not an eye for an eye but forgive the offender and turns the other cheek leave room for Gods judgement on them
the law requires man to assume judgement but Jesus handles that in the gospel as he imparts the right judgement and removes the wrong to
Me my own belief from scripture sets apart the law and gospel but one is a lesser light for darkness without spirit , the o her is a great light of the world
“something is very important that we are required to do and that is to obey.”
but it’s a matter of who we have to obey and we have to first believe the right word to keep it , they aren’t the same like you are thinking is my opinion that begins to part from yours I don’t really disagree with most of what you usually say and never take it personal when we don’t fully agree.
I just feel your missing something far better because you are tying the two together somewhat but this is true
“Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.”
Acts 13:38-41
Moses law could never do what Jesus gospel does it’s about imparting sin , the gospel is about remitting and removing sin from our hearts so we don’t keep sinning by the flesh law
If you need justofocation to believe this consider Paul’s saying here I think that you aren’t beginning here at baptism in the New Testament and are beginning before Jesus came into the picture and provided the New Testament consider how this affected everything and then if you would try to explain how you see this and how it affects Moses doctrine
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:
that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-4, 6-7
so far pretty simple it’s along argument so I will tie it to what I’m saying about the law Paul continues and eventually gets to this point of why we’re supposed to have died in baptism and why that’s important
“Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?”
Romans 7:1 KJV
“Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (Matthew 13:18-23)
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;
that we should serve in newness of spirit,
and not in the oldness of the letter.”
Romans 7:4-6 KJV
can you apply this stuff to our talk about the law and New Testament? Or am I losing you ?
do you see how the law was a detriment because man is not perfect so it induces and imparts sinful actions and accusation ? And how the gospel is about repenting and having our sins remitted ?
this was the intent and extent of the laws capability is why it says Moses law could save like Jesus
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
it was and is inferior to the gospel being designed to condemn the flesh so we could be born of the spirit through Christ and his word
the law never offered the Holy Spirit, Jesus word does , never promised eternal
Life , Jesus word does , never promised repentance and remission of sins , Jesus word does , Moses law imparts sin Jesus gospel remits sin . It was a poorly seen reflection of what was coming to the world in Christ
One demands no pity and for the hearer to judge each other and stone each other , one commands don’t do any of that but me merciful to those whom offend you don’t take revenge like Moses allowed not an eye for an eye but forgive the offender and turns the other cheek leave room for Gods judgement on them
the law requires man to assume judgement but Jesus handles that in the gospel as he imparts the right judgement and removes the wrong to
Me my own belief from scripture sets apart the law and gospel but one is a lesser light for darkness without spirit , the o her is a great light of the world
see things like this is you not allowing for scripture
“There is no such law as the law of moses because ultimately those laws came from God”
here’s scripture
“And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.”
Joshua 8:32
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
Acts 13:39
There is a law of Moses
and it’s not to save sinners it’s to hold sinners guilty and put them to death
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
everything Moses wrote in his book of the law (?everything he commanded israel By the unforgiving angels ordainment
I think I have shown you this a few times but you aren’t accounting for the fact that the law is ordained of angels and made purposely to be lacking forgiveness
“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
vBut if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.”
Exodus 23:20-22 KJV
that unforgiveness made the whole law different and it is Moses law he is the one who interceded for Israel when they broke the covenant and Gid declared he was finished and was going to destroy them Moses saved them in a poor example of what Jesus did for us he didn’t intercede for the world he interceded for the children of Israel only
“There is no such law as the law of moses because ultimately those laws came from God”
here’s scripture
“And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.”
Joshua 8:32
“And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
Acts 13:39
There is a law of Moses
and it’s not to save sinners it’s to hold sinners guilty and put them to death
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
everything Moses wrote in his book of the law (?everything he commanded israel By the unforgiving angels ordainment
I think I have shown you this a few times but you aren’t accounting for the fact that the law is ordained of angels and made purposely to be lacking forgiveness
“Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
vBut if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.”
Exodus 23:20-22 KJV
that unforgiveness made the whole law different and it is Moses law he is the one who interceded for Israel when they broke the covenant and Gid declared he was finished and was going to destroy them Moses saved them in a poor example of what Jesus did for us he didn’t intercede for the world he interceded for the children of Israel only