Bible "versions"?

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DeanM

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These are others with the Spirit, why wouldn't you take their help?
You said the Spirit takes you to saints. Just the opposite is more accurate. Of course if you talking about who the catholics refer to as saints thats a horse od a different color.
 
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You said the Spirit takes you to saints. Just the opposite is more accurate. Of course if you talking about who the catholics refer to as saints thats a horse od a different color.
Well, both are true...

I certainly include various Catholic and Orthodox saints...

I am non-denominational, non-dogmatic

If it arrives at theosis it is good, if it rejects it is bad
 

DeanM

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Well, both are true...

I certainly include various Catholic and Orthodox saints...

I am non-denominational, non-dogmatic

If it arrives at theosis it is good, if it rejects it is bad
Well I dont talk to dead people so there is that. Did you ever say what bible you prefer? That is the topic.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#45
These passages never gave me any trouble whatsoever. Context cleared things up straight away for me. I guess that maybe we are all a little different. If you ever have trouble with KJV-isms, just let us know. We shall seek truth together. I have experienced more questions with why the new versions had to change certain verses that seemed completely clear in my KJV. I really do think God helped the KJV guys get things right.
it is by far the most accurate to the Hebrew and Greek and given the process they used for translation it’s pretty reliable just as a matter of conscience.

I think a lot of folks read KJV and it sounds like Shakespeare and they don’t follow it , so they would benefit from a more fitting to the self translation

truthfully the message is going to remain the same basically there’s no translation that’s going to forminstance teach contrary faith “ Jesus didn’t die for our sins “ or “ God doesn’t love mankind “

the details are going to be for the words a bit different here and there , but it’s the message we need about Jesus and the true gospel

I don’t think translations are as important in the beginning maybe as we grow and mature we’re going to want every single detail correct but in the beginning we can’t grasp it all anyways

I remember as a kid I was given a kids Bible it had pictures and phrases I could grasp d the things I learned in that Bible haven’t changed to the things I learn in the KJV it’s just that now I know more details

as a teen I got a teen Bible that had a few deeper concepts and mature language then a niv and eventually KJV became my own preference for the poetic language and my own comfortablity with its accuracy .

I don’t think translations are as important to others as it is to the individual and y Bible is going to have the message of the gospel
 

Nehemiah6

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#47
It is why it is perhaps better to engage the Greek tradition...
The traditional or "received" Greek text underlies the King James Bible, and is corroborated by the Lectionaries of the Greek Orthodox Church.
 
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Well I dont talk to dead people so there is that. Did you ever say what bible you prefer? That is the topic.
Umm, they wrote stuff

I don't have a favorite version...

I like the Good News Translation and Living Bible for their modern grammar...

I fall back on New International and King James if their renderings are stupid

I strive to understand the overall message though...
 
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#49
No translation is perfect so I tend to look through many to gain consensus on verses that seem important

The internet is awesome
 
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#50
It is good to read those that have experienced theosis to gain a fuller understanding...

This is rightly the qualification for theology
 
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#51
Grace And Peace, Precious friend(s). I believe it is a very serious matter
to determine Which version of “the Bible” Is “The Correct Word Of God!”

I am sure we All agree, do we not, that we are All going to each give an
"account To HIM,"
(2 Corinthians 5:10), According to His Gospel of Grace,
To
Paul (Romans 2:16), correct?

Thus, in Light of Paul's "...knowing therefore The Terror Of The LORD..." {v. 11}, to me,
I humbly present why I personally believe KJV Is “The Best Bible” to read/study:

(1) Q: Is IT not God’s Pure And PRESERVED WORD!?:

The WORDS Of The LORD Are Pure WORDS: as silver tried
in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep THEM,
O LORD, Thou Shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever.”

(Psalms 12:6-7 KJB!)

Now, Comparing This, with a couple of newer versions, what do we find?

NASB: “The words of the Lord are pure words…You, Lord, will keep them;
You will protect him from this generation forever.

NIV: “The words of the Lord are flawless…You, Lord, will keep the needy
safe and will protect us forever from the wicked,...

Do these Also claim God’s “Purity And Preservation for ALL generations”?

They both claim “pure/flawless” words, but, then they both
Omit Some Of: “Preserve THEM from this generation for ever” and
Change words TO the noted “Different” words above. How is that Purity ?

Q: Will The Holy Spirit, our Blessed Teacher, Help us understand
The Purity of These Words,” considering these newer versions
have Changed Them? How, then, do we “study AND agree”?

{Diligent/Noble Berean students can find MANY of These Changes
{And, Also “omissions”}, and Prayerfully/Carefully decide for themselves
about the “Purity of God’s Words,” and which version is best, for them,
correct?}

(2) I personally have decided on Both “The Purity And The
Preservation Of The Authorized Version/underlying manuscripts,”

for the following reasons:

Q2: Is The Following the “Reason” why the newer versions Cannot claim:

God’s Promise To “Preserve HIS Pure Word for ALL generations”?

Since the newer versions did not appear until about 1880,
would not that be a “Lack Of Preservation,” due to the fact
that the underlying {older/better?} manuscripts had to be
“Re-discovered/translated,” Skipping the generations since 1611?

Can that be God’s Purpose For HIS Pure/Preserved Word?
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(3) God's Pure/Preserved Word Is ABOVE All Else! Is IT not?:

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy HOLY
Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH: for Thou
Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!
"
( Psalms 138:2 KJB! )

imho, unless I am mistaken, on Judgment Day, I would Not want
one of the "good deeds done in my body," to be “Bad, by my claiming”
that corrupt/Changed/Missing words {translated from older/hidden
{UNpreserved} manuscripts into “newer easier-to-read/understand
versions,” are to be:

God's Pure Word, Which Is Magnified Above All Of God’s Pure/Holy Name,”

would you, Precious friend(s)?
Finally:

IF it is true that “Many {~~ 2,800?} Of “God’s PURE Words”
are missing {ie: Acts 8:37 NASB et al?} from newer versions, then,
IF the “version user” Cannot read Them {because They are missing},
how is it possible then, for that one to obey God’s Exhortation:

“man Shall Not live by bread alone, But By EVERY Word
That Proceedeth Out Of The Mouth Of God!

(Matthew 4:4 cp Luke 4:4; Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB!)?

Just wondering: How can God's "children of light" be in agreement
when each uses a Different Problematic version?: Are we not all,
By A Faithful God:

"...Called Into Fellowship With God's SON, The LORD JESUS CHRIST"
(
1 Corinthians 1:9 KJB!), And, should we not all be:

"Endeavouring to keep The Unity Of God's Spirit In The Bond Of
PEACE!..." (
Ephesians 4:3 KJB!), obeying God's Exhortations!:

...speak...the things which become Sound Doctrine!”
(
Titus 2:1 cp "SAME mind And judgment!" 1 Corinthians 1:10 KJB!)?

Being faithful And Pleasing to our LORD and Saviour, JESUS CHRIST, Correct?

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Addendum:

Some do Not like archaic words in God’s Preserved Word, but isn’t
that Why God Commands us to “study” (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)? I.e.:

“...we which are alive and remain unto the coming of The LORD shall not
prevent [precede] them which are asleep…” (1 Thessalonians 4:15 KJB!)

Once I “studied & found the meaning,” have never had any problem since. Amen?
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I would also, when Prayerfully/Carefully “studying, like to know," When "God Is
Addressing"
one person {singular: thee, thine, & thou}, or More than one person
{plural: ye/you/your}. Could make a Huge Difference in His Pure Words, correct?

Since newer versions have Totally Lost these distinctions, considering
“you/your” Could be Either singular OR plural, causing Confusion, of
which
God Is Not the author of,” (1 Corinthians 14:33 KJB!), correct,
Precious friend(s)?

Conclusion: Besides changing God’s PURE Words, is there not Also
HIS “Command NOT to Add, Nor To Take Away From HIS Word!”?
(
Deuteronomy 4:2, 12:32; Revelation 22:18-19 KJB!)
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"found a liar" (Proverbs 30:5-6) cp "every liar" (Rev 21 : 8, 22 : 15, 19 KJB!)

So, yes, I sincerely believe This Is “A Very Serious And Important”
decision Of faith to be made! After all, "a corrupt {#} version Will
Cause a corrupt faith,” correct? Since God’s PURE Word Teaches:

...faith cometh by hearing, and hearing By The WORD Of God!”
(
Romans 10:17 KJB!)

Be Blessed!

{#} Corruption had Already Begun in "Paul's day," thus it should not
surprise us, that it very well Could be in our midst, today, correct?:

"For we are not as many, which corrupt The Word Of God: but as
of sincerity, but as of God, in The Sight Of God speak we in CHRIST."
(2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB!)

Precious friend(s), instead of All of the Mass Confusion, is not
God's Simple Will Much Better? to be continued in (2a) below...
I like many different versions. I use the KJV here on this message board so the KJV-onlyists don't have a stumbling block out in front of them. Otherwise I'm usually looking at numerous versions and translations.
 

Dino246

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It is good to read those that have experienced theosis to gain a fuller understanding...

This is rightly the qualification for theology
Could you please link or post a definition for "theosis" as you are using the term.
 

GRACE_ambassador

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If it arrives at theosis it is good, if it rejects it is bad
Theosis (Greek: Θέωσις), or deification (deification may also refer to apotheosis, lit. "making divine"), is a transformative process whose aim is likeness to or union with God, as taught by the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Byzantine Catholic Churches.
Precious friend, please "start your own thread" for this, it is OFF topic...

Did you ever say what bible you prefer? That is the topic.
Precious friend, thanks So Much for getting us back on topic.
 

Pilgrimshope

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#54
No translation is perfect so I tend to look through many to gain consensus on verses that seem important

The internet is awesome
Or maybe most are relatively perfect , but God chose to say things in different ways because we all are a bit different in what we understand and how we perceive things

maybe most of or are least some of the translations to this point are actually a continuing work of God to spread his word to everyone even if they can’t understand the language of the KJV which I myself love and prefer but know others who not sounds like a riddle to them but they know the same things I do from thier niv or whatever version speaks best to them

just a thought maybe we’re all a bit different so the lord said what he said so we can all grasp it like a good father always makes sure his elder and younger children understand what they need to as they need to
 

John146

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I like many different versions. I use the KJV here on this message board so the KJV-onlyists don't have a stumbling block out in front of them. Otherwise I'm usually looking at numerous versions and translations.
Your use of stumbling block is incorrect. When I read a post using the NIV, it does not cause me to stumble, far from it.
 

DeanM

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[QUOTE= I use the KJV here on this message board so the KJV-onlyists don't have a stumbling block out in front of them.

Thank you for your consideration. 🙂
 
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I think TPT does a great job of bringing scripture to a modern context (it also has great notes on Aramaic vs Greek manuscripts). But I find that KJV and other archaic English seem to capture concepts in a far more concise and unambiguous way in many cases. When in doubt, I look to the source manuscripts.
 
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Your use of stumbling block is incorrect. When I read a post using the NIV, it does not cause me to stumble, far from it.
That may be true for you, but I don't know who will or will not be offended. Thanks for saying so, though. I'll keep that in mind.
 

John146

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I think TPT does a great job of bringing scripture to a modern context (it also has great notes on Aramaic vs Greek manuscripts). But I find that KJV and other archaic English seem to capture concepts in a far more concise and unambiguous way in many cases. When in doubt, I look to the source manuscripts.
Believe it or not, the "archaic" language of the KJV makes it perfect. The KJV was not written in the everyday language of people on the street in 1611. It was written in high English, a very precise form of our language. For example, using thee, thou, you, and ye makes the meaning more precise.
 

oyster67

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This is a bit too lofty and intellectual for this child. Yes, I am studied but many are not so well educated by man, only by the Holy "Spirit,
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"While Newman was very much formed by the Eastern Fathers, my colleague Mark McInroy showed that in discussing theosis, or deification, the process by which we become not just good but gods--a doctrine many attribute solely to the East--Newman's single most quoted Father was St."
St. Augustine, Dad, and Me

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