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Most people won't preach the true gospel because it offends most people.

After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, watching sports (violence like football, covet and idols), novels, music, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons and Christian music words that gives messages. I found out that in them there is lying, stealing, adultery (Matthew 5:28 looking at someone with lust is adultery), fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, murder, jealousy, pride=self-pity, hypocrisy, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

1 John 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.


First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or any sinful desires. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV or sinful desires (Romans 6:6-7 and Galatians 5:24), Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for a short amount of time. After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.


Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins (confess and not do those sins anymore) throughout your life which is called sanctification.


After you have received the Holy Spirit and have confessed and repented of any known sins that you have done, then you pray to God to get rid of all evil spirits out of you.


Say “In the name of Jesus Christ I bind and cast out all evil spirits out of me.” Then automatically your mouth will open and you will exhale all those evil spirits out of you.


But you can watch Christian stuff that don’t have sins (Like sermons) because that helps you grow more mature as a Christian spiritually and for more information about this sermon, go to spreadthegospel59.wordpress.com then go to


The short version of “To be free from sin (sin deceives and hurts everyone) and how do we receive the Holy Spirit?”

Why does God hate sin? | GotQuestions.org


What does it mean that “you were bought with a price” (1 Corinthians 6:20; 7:23)? | GotQuestions.org


Sin Will Never Make You Happy


(What does the Bible say about hypocrisy? | GotQuestions.org)


Gives thanks to God, that you are free from sin (sin deceives=never satisfied no matter how many times you do it,


gives pain, makes you guilty, go from bad to worse)


if you are one of God’s elect, to fight off self-pity is to give thanks to God for everything.

What does the Bible say about self-pity? | GotQuestions.org


Is eternal security a “license” to sin? | GotQuestions.org

The reason why am hated for no reason since I were physically born and never fit in is because am one of God’s elects=to God's elects that has been wondering about this question since they were born. (John 15:18-19)

Read James 4:4, Proverbs 29:27, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

Just so you know Jesus had to carry all of God’s elects sins and endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy.

Go to the bottom website, for better explanation.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-eternal-punishment-hours/

https://www.gotquestions.org/calvinism.html


Lazarus and the rich man Luke 16:19-31

Extreme Dehydration, rich man begs for a drop of water.

Luke 16:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

A place of outer darkness Matthew 8:12

A place of no rest Revelation 14:11

A place of blackness and darkness forever Jude 13

A place where people are tormented with fire and brimstone Revelation 14:10

Extreme pain since you are in everlasting fire and constant guilt.


If Jesus didn’t die on the cross and carried all of our sins=https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/jesus-eternal-punishment-hours/, God would still be just and holy, in sending us all to Hell because we are all guilty of our sins. Remember TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

But God was willing to have some mercy (to God’s elects), which we don’t deserve because we are all guilty of our sins. At least God was willing to have at least some mercy (to God’s elects), better than no mercy at all.


Isaiah 1:9
King James Version (KJV)

9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant (God’s elects), we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.


Jesus came to save us elects out of sin.


The Holy Spirit is the permanent cure to boredom but it is only given to God’s elects. (Proof: John 14:26-27 and Philippians 4:7) The Holy Spirit also gives the fruit of the spirit.(Galatians 5:22-24)

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version (KJV)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So...
what is "the true gospel"?
 
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After 18 years I'm still trying to figure out what 'The Gospel' actually is, so, I can't with sincerity preach it yet.

But if anyone thinks they do know what it is then please post it - it would be a great help to me!
After true gospel is preached.

A. If you are God's elect, God will give you receive the Holy Spirit=permanent cure to boredom, God will remove your sinful nature and replaces it with Jesus holy nature.
B. If you are nonelect, you will reject the Holy Spirit and nonelects go back to sinning. When I said TV is sin to my family, they got afraid of sinning, after 1 day or so they can't stand the boredom anymore and they go back to sinning.
 
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So...
what is "the true gospel"?
That is the detailed version for online preaching.

Bottom is open air.

Less than a 4 min gospel you can preach outside of a crowd that is a public place or 3 train stops. If this is what God wants you to do.

Good morning/afternoon/evening ladies and gentlemen, ill be preaching the true gospel and how to receive the Holy Spirit?

After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. I found out that in them there is stealing, adultery, fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, jealousy, pride, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.
First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV, Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for a short amount of time.
After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.
Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification. Just so you know Jesus had to endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy.
If Jesus didn’t die on the cross and endure Hellfire spiritually which is the punishment for sin, God would still be just in sending us all to Hell because we are all guilty of our sins. Remember TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. Just read the 10 commandments for a list. But God was willing to have some mercy, which we don’t deserve because we are all guilty of our sins. At least God was willing to have at least some mercy, better than no mercy at all. That’s it, thank you for listening.
 
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That is the detailed version for online preaching.

Bottom is open air.

Less than a 4 min gospel you can preach outside of a crowd that is a public place or 3 train stops. If this is what God wants you to do.

Good morning/afternoon/evening ladies and gentlemen, ill be preaching the true gospel and how to receive the Holy Spirit?

After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. I found out that in them there is stealing, adultery, fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, jealousy, pride, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.
First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV, Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for a short amount of time.
After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.
Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification. Just so you know Jesus had to endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy.
If Jesus didn’t die on the cross and endure Hellfire spiritually which is the punishment for sin, God would still be just in sending us all to Hell because we are all guilty of our sins. Remember TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. Just read the 10 commandments for a list. But God was willing to have some mercy, which we don’t deserve because we are all guilty of our sins. At least God was willing to have at least some mercy, better than no mercy at all. That’s it, thank you for listening.
You can say a website for a detailed version, after the end of the gospel.
 
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That is the detailed version for online preaching.

Bottom is open air.

Less than a 4 min gospel you can preach outside of a crowd that is a public place or 3 train stops. If this is what God wants you to do.

Good morning/afternoon/evening ladies and gentlemen, ill be preaching the true gospel and how to receive the Holy Spirit?

After God gave me the Holy Spirit, I found proof that TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. I found out that in them there is stealing, adultery, fornication which is sex before marriage, revenge, jealousy, pride, using God’s name in vain as a curse word, they are all idols (breaks 2nd Commandment) because most people can’t live without them and they love them more than God and more. Just read the 10 commandments for a list.

Now I will be preaching about how to receive the Holy Spirit and be 100% going to Heaven.
First, it’s only by the grace of God that he gives you faith in Jesus Christ in order to give up your sins. It’s only by the grace of God that he leads you to pray to him to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. When you pray to God to destroy all your evil desires of watching TV, Satan will intervene and extremely tempt you in watching the TV. But if it’s God’s will and if you are one of God’s elects, you will overcome it and God will destroy all your evil desires of watching TV. After God has destroyed all your evil desires of watching TV and if you are one of God’s elects, you receive the joy of the Holy Spirit for a short amount of time.
After the joy wears off, all existence of boredom no longer exists and you no longer burn out (psychology) anymore. That is when you have received the Holy Spirit.
Then it’s by the grace of God that he forgives you of your sins, as you confess and repent of your sins throughout your life which is called sanctification. Just so you know Jesus had to endure the punishment for God’s elects sins which is Hellfire spiritually, which is extreme love and mercy.
If Jesus didn’t die on the cross and endure Hellfire spiritually which is the punishment for sin, God would still be just in sending us all to Hell because we are all guilty of our sins. Remember TV, movies, video games and computer games are all sins, except Christian stuff that don’t have sins like sermons. Just read the 10 commandments for a list. But God was willing to have some mercy, which we don’t deserve because we are all guilty of our sins. At least God was willing to have at least some mercy, better than no mercy at all. That’s it, thank you for listening.
I'm pretty sure the true gospel takes much less than 4 minutes to preach.

And its very simple.

The true and only gospel is this...

God...

Loves...

You :)
 

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Jesus told us to preach the gospel, not debate about Christian apologetics for hours=time that could have been spent spreading gospel.
What are your thoughts?
If anyone truly believes this then they should not even be debating this very question with other Christians..
 
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After 18 years I'm still trying to figure out what 'The Gospel' actually is, so, I can't with sincerity preach it yet.

But if anyone thinks they do know what it is then please post it - it would be a great help to me!
This actually might take a while to explain depending on where someone is at. It could involves hours, days, or months of discipleship.

We cannot take for granted that non-Christians or unchurched people understand Christianese words like: sin, born again, gospel, heaven, hell, repentance, faith, or even who Jesus Christ actually is.

In preaching the gospel, you may encounter that other people hold misunderstandings, false doctrines, misinformation, and a web of pride & ego that obstruct your efforts.

Often the best we can hope for is to plant a seed, get people hungry, get people curious, get people interested in finding out who God is and where we stand with Him. Often, people just need access to a physical or digital copy of the Bible to read.

All that being said, there is a gospel that saves and it does only take about 5 minutes to present when the audience doesn't have questions and comments.
 
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This actually might take a while to explain depending on where someone is at. It could involves hours, days, or months of discipleship.

We cannot take for granted that non-Christians or unchurched people understand Christianese words like: sin, born again, gospel, heaven, hell, repentance, faith, or even who Jesus Christ actually is.

In preaching the gospel, you may encounter that other people hold misunderstandings, false doctrines, misinformation, and a web of pride & ego that obstruct your efforts.

Often the best we can hope for is to plant a seed, get people hungry, get people curious, get people interested in finding out who God is and where we stand with Him. Often, people just need access to a physical or digital copy of the Bible to read.

All that being said, there is a gospel that saves and it does only take about 5 minutes to present when the audience doesn't have questions and comments.
gotquestions website does alot of watering.
 
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Jesus told us to preach the gospel, not debate about Christian apologetics for hours=time that could have been spent spreading gospel.
What are your thoughts?
Blessings.

We are told to be ready to give a defense of the reason for hope that is in us. That is apologetics.

So, if someone asked you: "Why should I believe you?" Do you simply continue on your merry way, or do you defend your faith?
 

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Blessings.

We are told to be ready to give a defense of the reason for hope that is in us. That is apologetics.

So, if someone asked you: "Why should I believe you?" Do you simply continue on your merry way, or do you defend your faith?
Every time someone put a question to Jesus to trap him, he was in fact doing apologetics. When Paul spoke to the Philosophers on Mars hill he was doing apologetics.

When the church in Acts and History had a council they were doing both theology and apologetics.

When someone was brought before a court they were doing apologetics.

Apologetics and preaching go hand in hand.

When talking with someone with a science background one of the proofs of God is complexity in creation.

Why do you even believe there is a God? That is answered by Special Revelation(the Bible) and Apologetics(Classic arguments for the existence of God).
 

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Jesus told us to preach the gospel, not debate about Christian apologetics for hours=time that could have been spent spreading the gospel.
What are your thoughts?
My thoughts? What you've made abundantly clear is the reason why forums like this drive me insane. Too many Chiefs; not enough Indians. Few want to learn; the majority want to teach and test their "knowledge."
 
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Every time someone put a question to Jesus to trap him, he was in fact doing apologetics. When Paul spoke to the Philosophers on Mars hill he was doing apologetics.

When the church in Acts and History had a council they were doing both theology and apologetics.

When someone was brought before a court they were doing apologetics.

Apologetics and preaching go hand in hand.

When talking with someone with a science background one of the proofs of God is complexity in creation.

Why do you even believe there is a God? That is answered by Special Revelation(the Bible) and Apologetics(Classic arguments for the existence of God).
Knowing God exists and classic arguments for existence of God is unprofitable because it won't lead to repentance . Since I assume 99% of the world are nonelects. Arguing for hours, should be better spent spreading the gospel that takes less than 4mins than move on to the next location.

Matthew 10:14
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14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.


Matthew 10:18-20
New King James Version


18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
 

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Knowing God exists and classic arguments for existence of God is unprofitable because it won't lead to repentance . Since I assume 99% of the world are nonelects. Arguing for hours, should be better spent spreading the gospel that takes less than 4mins than move on to the next location.

Matthew 10:14
New King James Version


14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.


Matthew 10:18-20
New King James Version


18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
That approach might register with someone who is gifted as an evangelist. Not all of us are, and it is unprofitable to criticize those who are gifted differently simply on the basis of those differences. After all, the eye cannot say to the hand, "You aren't needed". God has gifted us as He sees fit. Let's not waste time second-guessing His choices.
 

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My thoughts? What you've made abundantly clear is the reason why forums like this drive me insane. Too many Chiefs; not enough Indians. Few want to learn; the majority want to teach and test their "knowledge."
Even a teacher learns, esp by mistakes.
 

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Knowing God exists and classic arguments for existence of God is unprofitable because it won't lead to repentance . Since I assume 99% of the world are nonelects. Arguing for hours, should be better spent spreading the gospel that takes less than 4mins than move on to the next location.

Matthew 10:14
New King James Version


14 And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet.


Matthew 10:18-20
New King James Version


18 You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; 20 for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
I have asked many people asking questions to look into the complexity of Nature. And, many of them came to Jesus. The complexity of nature is one of the arguments for the existence of God. Check any Philosophy Encyclopedia on the existence of God for the basic arguments.

Also, Jesus told the Apostles to preach the Gospel. Not every Christian.

Ephesians 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
 
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This is me sharing the gospel

Why approach those not of Jesus?
 

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This is me sharing the gospel

Why approach those not of Jesus?
The Scriptures say Whosoever...... I want to see everyone in Heaven. So, why not tell someone about something cool you know about?