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Yes, Daniel 12:7 is regarding the last 3 1/2 years of that last seven year period, as is v.11
"It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”
"And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
What it is to accomplish is not mentioned in Dan.12:7, but is found in Dan.9:24 which is meant to accomplish the decree that was pronounced on Israel and Jerusalem, as listed below:
"to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place." - Dan.9:24
It is also the same time period regarding when in Matt.24:15 Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27.
This last 3 1/2 years is also the same time period listed in Rev.13:5-7 where the beast is given authority over the tribulation saints (Gentiles) for 42 months, which is the same as 1260 days and a time, times and half a time, all referring to that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
Yes, Daniel 12:7 is regarding the last 3 1/2 years of that last seven year period, as is v.11
"It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”
"And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
What it is to accomplish is not mentioned in Dan.12:7, but is found in Dan.9:24 which is meant to accomplish the decree that was pronounced on Israel and Jerusalem, as listed below:
"to stop their transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place." - Dan.9:24
It is also the same time period regarding when in Matt.24:15 Jesus quoted Daniel 9:27.
This last 3 1/2 years is also the same time period listed in Rev.13:5-7 where the beast is given authority over the tribulation saints (Gentiles) for 42 months, which is the same as 1260 days and a time, times and half a time, all referring to that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.
Hello OldSage,
The 2 beasts of Revelation are two individuals and has nothing to do with actual beasts.
The first beast is that man of lawlessness, the antichrist, who will be empowered by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss, who is the angel of the Abyss. The beast that John saw is described in the following way, "The beast you saw":
Once was = He was not in the Abyss, but was in the world
Now is not = He is no longer in the world, but is in the Abyss
And yet will come = The beast will come up out of the Abyss
This fallen angel/beast, comes up out of the Abyss when it is opened at the sounding of the 5th trumpet:
"They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer)."
"Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them."
"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction."
"The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come."
"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
The 2 beasts of Revelation are two individuals and has nothing to do with actual beasts.
The first beast is that man of lawlessness, the antichrist, who will be empowered by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss, who is the angel of the Abyss. The beast that John saw is described in the following way, "The beast you saw":
Once was = He was not in the Abyss, but was in the world
Now is not = He is no longer in the world, but is in the Abyss
And yet will come = The beast will come up out of the Abyss
This fallen angel/beast, comes up out of the Abyss when it is opened at the sounding of the 5th trumpet:
"They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer)."
"Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them."
"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction."
"The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come."
"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."
Well, the fact that He along with the false prophet are referred to as "the two of them" and the fact that they are thrown alive into the lake of fire, infers that they individuals. The context reveals this.
In addition, the dragon in Rev.12 is described in the same manner as in Rev.13 and 17.
In Rev.12:9 the beast with the seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns, is referred to as "that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan." And is referred to in the same way in Rev.20:2
"The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Since the seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns are revealed to us in Rev.17, as referring to a succession of seven kings and ten future kings who rule with the beast currently. Then Satan as the dragon is the one orchestrating the heads and the horns.
The beast is also referred to as a kingdom in Rev.13:2
"The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion.
Lion = Babylon
Bear = Medo/Persia
Leopard = Greece
This means that the last beast kingdom, will have some of the characteristics of the previous kingdoms of the Lion, bear and Leopard. See Daniel 7:1-8
The beast as an individual, is an eighth king and belongs to the succession of the seven.
"The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction."
In addition, the dragon in Rev.12 is described in the same manner as in Rev.13 and 17.
In Rev.12:9 the beast with the seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns, is referred to as "that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan." And is referred to in the same way in Rev.20:2
"The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Since the seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns are revealed to us in Rev.17, as referring to a succession of seven kings and ten future kings who rule with the beast currently. Then Satan as the dragon is the one orchestrating the heads and the horns.
The beast is also referred to as a kingdom in Rev.13:2
"The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion.
Lion = Babylon
Bear = Medo/Persia
Leopard = Greece
This means that the last beast kingdom, will have some of the characteristics of the previous kingdoms of the Lion, bear and Leopard. See Daniel 7:1-8
The beast as an individual, is an eighth king and belongs to the succession of the seven.
"The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction."
Because the Greek word used for Beast in Rev. 13 simply means an animal who dominates like a wild beast.
#2342 θηρίον therion {thay-ree'-on}
diminutive from the same as G2339; TDNT - 3:133,333; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) an animal
2) a wild animal, wild beast, beast
3) metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious
For Synonyms see entry G5846
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Diminutive from the same as G2339; a dangerous animal:—(venomous, wild) beast.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
In Daniel, via the Hebrew bible but Chaldean language in this instance, it meant the same thing.
#2423 חֵיוָא cheyva' (Aramaic) {khay-vaw'}
from H2418; TWOT - 2727b; n f
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) beast, animal
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2418; an animal:—beast.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
It's simply ONE WHO DOMINATES.
1.) Egypt dominated the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR)
2.) Assyria dominated the MSR
3.) Babylon dominated the MSR
4.) Persia dominated the MSR
5.) Greece dominated the MSR
6.) Rome dominated the MSR like no other in that every square inch of the Mediterranean Coastline was controlled by Rome.
............................................................................CHURCH AGE of 2000 some odd years....................................................................
7.) The Anti-Christ dominates the Mediterranean Sea Region just like Rome in that he will control (Europe) and conquer the EXACT SAME Landmass (North Africa, Israel, and her neighbors) as the Roman Empire, thus on a map he will look exactly the same as Rome and he will dominate the MSR just like Rome did. The only difference is Rome passed its Beast Kingdom from king to king or emperor to emperor, and this man will never pass his Beast Kingdom on to another man, so the end time Beast is a MAN (666 is not his name IMHO, it's telling us the last Beast is a MAN as in 666 stands for man). Fo people who don't get that, Rome is NOT the name of a man, but 666 is the name of a MAN, which, IMHO, simply tells us the last beast is a man, not a kingdom per se.
This is why Rev. 7 Reduces the 7 kings to MEN............It says 5 have fallen, ONE IS............and one is YET TO COME. There was no reason for God to REDUCE the 7 Kingdoms to kings who unless He was trying to inform us of this, the last beast that falls is ONE MAN.
These three verses below in Daniel 7 tell us the last beast is different, but everyone confuses this with the Fourth Beast being different from the first three IMHO. Gabriel explains this to Daniel below
Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, (1)which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(2): and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first,(3) and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
The HE (Anti-Christ) in verse 24 is the Anti-Christ and when it says HE will be diverse from the FIRST it's not talking about Babylon, it's talking SPECIFICALLY about Rome !! Most people miss this tbh. Sure, Rome is diverse from ALL KINGDOMS (verse 23), but we already knew that from verse 3 SEE BELOW:
Dan. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
So, Gabriel is not repeating himself when he says HE (Anti-Christ) is diverse from THE FIRST, hes saying this last Beast or Little Horn is a MAN with a MOUTH that can SPEAK, and thus he is DIFFERENT from the First Roman Beast who was a Kingdom of many emperors or kings who passed their kingdom from one to another over many, many years. But this last beat is a ONE MAN SHOW, who is cast straight into hellfire an never passes his kingdom on to another.
#2342 θηρίον therion {thay-ree'-on}
diminutive from the same as G2339; TDNT - 3:133,333; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) an animal
2) a wild animal, wild beast, beast
3) metaph. a brutal, bestial man, savage, ferocious
For Synonyms see entry G5846
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Diminutive from the same as G2339; a dangerous animal:—(venomous, wild) beast.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)
In Daniel, via the Hebrew bible but Chaldean language in this instance, it meant the same thing.
#2423 חֵיוָא cheyva' (Aramaic) {khay-vaw'}
from H2418; TWOT - 2727b; n f
—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) beast, animal
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2418; an animal:—beast.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)
It's simply ONE WHO DOMINATES.
1.) Egypt dominated the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR)
2.) Assyria dominated the MSR
3.) Babylon dominated the MSR
4.) Persia dominated the MSR
5.) Greece dominated the MSR
6.) Rome dominated the MSR like no other in that every square inch of the Mediterranean Coastline was controlled by Rome.
............................................................................CHURCH AGE of 2000 some odd years....................................................................
7.) The Anti-Christ dominates the Mediterranean Sea Region just like Rome in that he will control (Europe) and conquer the EXACT SAME Landmass (North Africa, Israel, and her neighbors) as the Roman Empire, thus on a map he will look exactly the same as Rome and he will dominate the MSR just like Rome did. The only difference is Rome passed its Beast Kingdom from king to king or emperor to emperor, and this man will never pass his Beast Kingdom on to another man, so the end time Beast is a MAN (666 is not his name IMHO, it's telling us the last Beast is a MAN as in 666 stands for man). Fo people who don't get that, Rome is NOT the name of a man, but 666 is the name of a MAN, which, IMHO, simply tells us the last beast is a man, not a kingdom per se.
This is why Rev. 7 Reduces the 7 kings to MEN............It says 5 have fallen, ONE IS............and one is YET TO COME. There was no reason for God to REDUCE the 7 Kingdoms to kings who unless He was trying to inform us of this, the last beast that falls is ONE MAN.
These three verses below in Daniel 7 tell us the last beast is different, but everyone confuses this with the Fourth Beast being different from the first three IMHO. Gabriel explains this to Daniel below
Dan. 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, (1)which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(2): and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first,(3) and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
The HE (Anti-Christ) in verse 24 is the Anti-Christ and when it says HE will be diverse from the FIRST it's not talking about Babylon, it's talking SPECIFICALLY about Rome !! Most people miss this tbh. Sure, Rome is diverse from ALL KINGDOMS (verse 23), but we already knew that from verse 3 SEE BELOW:
Dan. 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
So, Gabriel is not repeating himself when he says HE (Anti-Christ) is diverse from THE FIRST, hes saying this last Beast or Little Horn is a MAN with a MOUTH that can SPEAK, and thus he is DIFFERENT from the First Roman Beast who was a Kingdom of many emperors or kings who passed their kingdom from one to another over many, many years. But this last beat is a ONE MAN SHOW, who is cast straight into hellfire an never passes his kingdom on to another.
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Thanks. Ok, the passage tells us what this time of trouble is meant to accomplish...
Daniel 12:7 [hebrew in brackets]
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished [root. kalah] to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished [root. kalah].
Kalah means "to complete/accomplish/finish. Now, almost all of our modern translations use the word shatter (as in "shatter the power..."), but the word is "naphats".
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:
Be beaten in sunder, break in pieces, broken, dash in pieces, dispersed, be overspread, scatter
A primitive root; to dash to pieces, or scatter -- be beaten in sunder, break (in pieces), broken, dash (in pieces), cause to be discharged, dispersed, be overspread, scatter.
...So imagine taking a hammer to a pane of glass. What was once whole has been crushed into many smaller pieces. So the time of trouble was meant to accomplish a scattering of the people, no longer to be a single, whole nation. Meanwhile, if we reference Luke 21:24 we get confirmation of this scattering. It says...
Luke 21:23-24
How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! For there will be great distress upon the land and wrath against this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So the time of trouble is meant to scatter the people into all nations. Before the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylonian exile, Daniel was given this prophecy of them scattering into all nations...it hadn't happened yet in Daniel's time.
Next, we have the Messiah predicting wrath against the Jews and saying they will be taken away into all nations...it hadn't happened yet in Messiah's time.
Finally, we have modern history literally detailing a Jewish diaspora into all nations, when they were no longer a nation...So isn't it safe to conclude that the scattering of the Jews into all nations has now happened?
Daniel 12:7 [hebrew in brackets]
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished [root. kalah] to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished [root. kalah].
Kalah means "to complete/accomplish/finish. Now, almost all of our modern translations use the word shatter (as in "shatter the power..."), but the word is "naphats".
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:
Be beaten in sunder, break in pieces, broken, dash in pieces, dispersed, be overspread, scatter
A primitive root; to dash to pieces, or scatter -- be beaten in sunder, break (in pieces), broken, dash (in pieces), cause to be discharged, dispersed, be overspread, scatter.
...So imagine taking a hammer to a pane of glass. What was once whole has been crushed into many smaller pieces. So the time of trouble was meant to accomplish a scattering of the people, no longer to be a single, whole nation. Meanwhile, if we reference Luke 21:24 we get confirmation of this scattering. It says...
Luke 21:23-24
How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! For there will be great distress upon the land and wrath against this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So the time of trouble is meant to scatter the people into all nations. Before the Jews returned to Jerusalem from Babylonian exile, Daniel was given this prophecy of them scattering into all nations...it hadn't happened yet in Daniel's time.
Next, we have the Messiah predicting wrath against the Jews and saying they will be taken away into all nations...it hadn't happened yet in Messiah's time.
Finally, we have modern history literally detailing a Jewish diaspora into all nations, when they were no longer a nation...So isn't it safe to conclude that the scattering of the Jews into all nations has now happened?
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