Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

Left Behind Secret Rapture is a lie made up by Satan.

Remember, Left Behind Secret Rapture and rapture are two different things.

The bottom link talks about the rapture and what is rapture.

http://testallthings.com/2010/05/31/when-is-the-rapture/


The Word of God says that Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.
Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, John 17:15

The resurrection only happens at the second coming and the second coming can only happen after the trib has ended, and since the verses tell us the rapture happens AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these verses decisively prove the rapture is post-trib not pre-trib. It's that simple.

Well in that case you would have to have a very good explanation for how the Church comes from Heaven with Christ at His Second Coming, when they are still on earth at that time. Will you propose a bizarre scenario, since both the Tribulation and Great Tribulation precede the Second Coming of Christ? Or will you simply admit that the OP is totally mistaken?

see that by all of the websites that you provided, that your belief is based on the teachings of men that you have adopted and not the word of God.

So God does not bring the entire church with Jesus at His return, only the sleeping ones.

And then he says that he is hated for no reason.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (second coming reference) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (the resurrection of the dead in Christ)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (the rapture)

The resurrection only happens at the second coming and the second coming can only happen after the trib has ended, and since the verses tell us the rapture happens AFTER the resurrection and second coming means these verses decisively prove the rapture is post-trib not pre-trib.

It's that simple.

Revelations
19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

You have completely MISUNDERSTOOD both passages. So do you want a proper exposition or are you satisfied with half-baked ideas?

Thanks for asking that because the Bible does directly answer that question:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

At the return of Christ, God brings with Jesus those who are asleep. These are deceased saints who are members of the church. These sleeping saints will be resurrected then the saints who are still alive on Earth, who are not deceased, will be caught up together as one group to meet Jesus in the air - that is the Earth's atmosphere.

So God does not bring the entire church with Jesus at His return, only the sleeping ones. That doesn't create any theological problems with a post-tribulation rapture.

Wow this is really messed up, it clearly states that the dead in Christ shall rise first and then we will be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. This is without a doubt referring to the rapture not the second coming.

The Word of God says that Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation.

Where the event of the church being gathered is a separate event, which takes place prior to the tribulation

By believing that the church is gathered after Christ returns to the earth, you would be putting the living church through the entire wrath of God, which believers are not appointed to suffer.

Actually, Matthew 24 says they will "see the sign of the Son of man" in heaven. Not the physical appearance of Jesus.

Except you cut off part of the verse that p[roves they indeed do see the physical appearance of Jesus.

Why cite the first part of the verse and not the rest of it??

I think you're right. It says when he comes, he brings his reward with him. People think that he's bringing a reward for "us." Not so, I believe the "his reward" is "us" as we are his reward and he is our reward.

In other words, he comes bringing his saints with him.

I'd like to make two points, atm.

First, I want to say that, before modern medical intervention that are use to 'stall' labor pains, a birth pang simply meant birth is eminent and there is no 'I change my mind, I don't want to...' about it. I bring this up because it has been suggested, around the forums in general, that birth pangs imply a series of 'waves' of events. That's not to say that certain events don't happen in waves, such as the elements of wrath of God but I don't believe this applies to the second coming.

Second, Isaiah 25 claims, "On this mountain the LORD will prepare a feast for all the peoples..." (v.6. cited in 1Cor 15:54), and where, "He will swallow up death forever. The Lord GOD will wipe away the tears from every face and remove the disgrace of His people from the whole earth." (v.8, cited in Rev 7:17 and Rev 21:4)

And in the context of the Slaughter of Gog's Armies, Ezekiel 39:17 writes of God's call to every kind of bird and every beast of the field to come to a great sacrificial feast on the mountains of Israel He is preparing for them. This appears to be reflected in Rev 19:17, when an angel standing in the sun cries out to all the birds flying overhead, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God,"...

It appears to me that the Supper of the Lamb is not such a "private" affair in heaven...