How We Can Tell If We Possess The Agape of God

Please clarify the above please

@posthuman

See, this is revealing. He is basically asking, “Why do you need God’s grace when the commandments are not burdensome?” It helps you understand where he is coming from. Adherence to righteousness is necessary for salvation, sums up his belief.

And when he does wallow in it they are not happy.

The issue here is not my understanding of what a "saint" is...it's the OSAS crowd's understanding.

I've shown you that agape is only attributed to the righteous, because it's demonstrated by keeping the Ten Commandments, which the Bible says the wicked cannot do...AND...not one time in Scripture is the word ever attributed to the wicked.

Therefore, the "many" -- whose fate is contrasted with those which "endure to the end" and are "saved" -- allow widespread iniquity to cause their agape to grow "cold", which is even more hopeless a condition than the "lukewarm" Laodiceans who are rejected by God (unless they repent, that is).

So, OSAS now finds itself arguing the wicked are capable of receiving agape from God so the "many" can be wicked...OR...it must argue that the "many" are saints and that "cold" agape is no threat to a saint's salvation (though lukewarm is cause for rejection) which totally renders the passage incredibly unnecessary because, "WHO CARES, Lord Jesus, if agape grows cold or stays hot if in the end, all wind up saved???"

Of course, we've got this other idea that the "many" refers to "physical tribulation-period bodies" that endure to the end and saved, although Jesus spent 3 1/2 years telling us we need spiritual salvation, not to worry what man does to this body, and that if we're faithful unto death, we get a crown of life....and ZERO time telling us about "physical salvation".

All of these redonkulous ideas would not be necessary if people would just believe the Bible: a saint is a saint as long as his will is surrendered to Jesus as his Lord and Savior (a purely cognitive, non-works, thought process) and continuously abides in the Vine, period.

i just have a simple question;

what do 'you intend to' endure in and how do 'you intend to' do so?

And then God comforts them and exposes to them why it is that they have sought comfort in sin instead of Him. He restores. 😁

Here is truth: No true Christian wants to sin. He fights against it and hates it and prays to God for assistance in overcoming his temptations. No true Christian wallows in sin.

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You are of the group that says the "many" are wicked. Have you found that verse which says the wicked possess "a-g-a-p-e" love?

uh huh so what is it 'you intend to' endure in and how is it 'you intend to' endure in it?

his version of clarifying- " o s a s is a wicked deception which will land it's followers in hell. agree with me, everything i say, to avoid that fate."

that is his whole theology.

You're line of questioning is predicated on the "many" being the wicked...so, have you found that verse which attributes "A-G-A-P-E" to the wicked? (hint: it's not there). So, why continue questioning from a flawed position?

Now, that's just dishonest. I've said over and over the Just Man needs God's grace to lift him from the pit of sin if he falls in.

What OSAS wants is grace bestowed on the Presumptuous Man who climbs down into the pit, sits down among the filth, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and flashes his OSAS License to Sin in His face...Jesus can't cover such a man with His grace.

is it really so hard for you to give an answer for what you believe?

what do you intend to endure in, that's going to save you from hell?
how do you intend to do it?

am i to gather from your evasion that you don't know what you're planning to endure in or how you're going to manage to do that?

IOW you don't know how to be saved?

friend, you came to the right place; we can tell you about salvation.

Yes, the Mosaic Law which was nailed to the Cross was a difficult to bear, what with all the ceremonial and sacrificial requirements. What's that got to do with the Ten Commandments, which "stand fast forever and ever"?

You know full well Christians can't disregard the First Commandment, but because you won't keep the Fourth Commandment, you argue we don't have to keep any...and you are found to be "partial in the law" (Malachi 2:9 KJV) and prove yourself guilty of all...and God has only one fate for lawbreakers who refuse to repent.
How can people be "weak and fleshly" and yet "more than conquerors" at the same time??? We either get born again and rather die than sin, or be born only once and die in our sin.

Not hard...but when Flat Earthers tell you that gravity - which is expressed in terms of acceleration - is produced by the "flat earth" accelerating through space at 9.8 m/s2...

....and you tell them that at that rate of acceleration it would only take 11 months from Creation week until the Earth hit LIGHT SPEED, at which time acceleration would stop and we'd begin floating around and bumping our heads on the clouds...

......they still insist on "flat earth".

.... so what is it 'you intend to' endure in and how is it 'you intend to' endure in it?

It is not dishonest, it is the logical conclusion of what you’re saying.

But let’s set that aside for a moment. Why do you think licentiousness (a license to sin) is the result of God’s grace (properly presented)?

If we sin, God’s grace is sufficient. The blood of the Lamb cleanses us of all unrighteousness. This grace permits us to not be alienated from God in our sin and as you have said, leads to God correcting our sin (“that is no longer who you are”; “you are not a slave to sin”).

So, why do you automatically assume that God’s grace, or even OSAS, leads to someone living like a heathen (without excuse)

when the mechanism of God’s sanctification is grace? He can sit with us, no condemnation, and work with us on why we entertain what we do (the sins that easily beset us).

It’s somewhat of a straw man to be harping on about a guy who has perverted the grace of God as justification for his sin. This man doesn’t understand God’s grace, in truth. He needs to experience God’s grace.

Jesus is called the Way, the Truth and the Life. we are to endure in The Way, or we are not following Truth. Jesus is also called The Truth.

if we truly believe in Jesus (who He really is) (which is how many claim they are saved), then we
follow The Way. it's a path. the path of Truth.

it begins with milky teachings + possible falsehoods for many it seems -- but goes on from there. it is not a destination, but a road -- a path -- The Way. it is not a belief -- of the mind, a saying i believe, a claim of salvation and the like -- but a belief in The Way -- a path. also known as Christ.... also known as the Truth.

we must follow The Truth (Yeshua/ Jesus Christ) out of the Milky Teachings and any Falsehoods that we have inherited along the Path -- and on and on to beyond or we may be stagnating on whichever flavor of Milk we currently drink and/or, are not truly on The Path much (the Way, the Truth, ........ Life).

why don't you quit squirming and just tell us what you you think you are going to endure in and how you think you're going to wind up enduring in it?