The destruction of the Temple in 70 AD

Prophecy must be interpreted as a whole not a part

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Men where in the throne room. Nit walking around on earth. They were wearing their white robes. They had crowns and they were claiming to be kings and priests from every nation. Not a few people in Israel.

It Must fit like a glove or there is doubt

Even counter arguments need to be backed up sufficiently.

When the Messiah resurrected from the grave did He have a crown on? How did He look just before He ascended?

Also, can you again please describe the ritual of first fruits and what each element represented since you're telling me it didnt represent the harvesting of those people?

Jesus said go and spend the gospel to all nations. And by the way while you donut I will be pouring my wrath out on the earth. ??v

John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life. Whoever rejects the Son will not see life. Instead, the wrath of God remains on him.”

*shrugs*

Thats Not Gods wrath being poured out on the earth

Thats not God opening seals and pouring our judgment on the earth

That has been a fact from the time of Adams sin until today. WHoever does not believe is condemned already. It is their state..

lol but I thought you do not wish to continue a discussion with me anymore. Now, after mocking, you need to clean up what you meant lol.

...Now it's, "no not THAT wrath, that's another wrath. There are different wraths of God...it still doesnt mean what you originally said, Yahshua, when you said the hedge of protection is removed to suffer deception, war, poverty, diseases...no, it means their state. "

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Also, EG, you do realize if we continue discussing I'm going to ask you my questions again, right?

Jesus said go and spend the gospel to all nations. And by the way while you donut I will be pouring my wrath out on the earth. ??v

While you were writing this - by any chance were you hungry and spending your money on donuts? (or thinking about it)

All I did was expose the flaw in your thinking, You are more than free to respond.

I know I am not going to change your mind, anymore than you will change mine. It does not mean I can not respond to a post you make for the sake of others.

The wrath of condemnation happens at the great white throne judgment

We are talking about Gods wrath on mankind here on earth.

Truly...but was John whisked away through time or through space? In other words, was John taken to the future or to another area to see more visions (which could be of the past, present, or future)?

The tabernacle (and later the temple) was designed to represent the heavenly dwelling place of the Almighty. First was the outer court, then the inner court (called the Holy Place), and then the Most Holy Place (where the ark of the covenant rested).

The ark of the covenant was the earthly representation of the throne, so it's safe to assume the Most Holy Place represented the throne room. Meanwhile, the area just before the Most Holy Place, the inner court, was where many holy furnishings were kept including the lampstand.

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When John enters into the spirit his visions begin with the Messiah in His priestly garments surrounded by the lampstands, where Messiah gives John His messages to take to each of the churches.

Revelation 1:12-13
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.


But where are they? Where are the lampstands kept?

Paul reveals that there are (at least) three heavens (2 Corinthians 12:2). Some argue that the three are: sky, space, and The Almighty's dwelling...but notwithstanding, there's an accepted notion that there are different levels/stages/zones/areas to heaven. And if we trust that the Almighty gave Moses (and then Solomon) accurate blueprints then His heavenly dwelling indeed is separated into different areas.

So John was most likely is in the Holy Place as his visions begin; the inner court...and if he's there, then AFTER the inner court comes the vision of the throne room, the Most Holy Place. Notice what Revelation 4:1 says...

Revelation 4:1 [brackets mine]
After these things [Meta taura = "with or after it in accompaniment"] I looked, and behold, a door was standing open in heaven, and the first voice that I heard like a trumpet was speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show to you what must be after these things. [Meta taura = "with or after it in accompaniment"]"

Those "things" were objects John saw (which each represented something), He was then taken further in his vision to see things that appear AFTER the objects he just saw...in the throne room.

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Now if we skip forward in the book to chapter 12, notice that John is already in heaven at this point...and yet he sees a vision of a woman giving birth to a child (who will rule the nations) followed by a war in heaven when that child ascends. This vision is clearly of the birth of the Messiah and his ascension to the throne, which was an event in John's past as he was currently in exile on the island.

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So it's not necessarily as cut and dry to say everything he sees is the future when John enters heaven. See what I mean?

I like your ideas a lot. It is particularly striking that when Jesus turned round he spoke to the women of Jerusalem as he did.

However, do you not think that this contradicts your main thesis?

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.