The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible
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again thanks for the reply, second you lied, remember you said this, "LOL, I will make this last comment to you and then be done with you."
well I see you're still replying.... (smile). but no worries mate. as our Lord and savioue did I do like wise, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". see how easy it is to understand the scriptures. I even thank you for your reply, have you shown the same respect?
LOOK I'm not aganist you, only the false doctrine, I follow truth. now as for attacking the Trinity doctrine, no, just presenting the TRUTH, if anyone is attacking the Trinity doctrine is those who support it, not me. by your support of it, you expose it, and it's false allegations.
see, I don't have to do nothing, those who sipport it are doing it for me....... the false allegations that the supporter of it, just give me ammunition for scripture to espose it. so I don't have to attacking the Trinity doctrine, the supporters of it do. when they bring a false allegations, the ONLY THING I HAVE DO IS RESPOND TO "THE ALLEGATION", they bring it.... (smile). just like the false allegations of it's the "Father's" voice. did I bring that?
NOW, there is another lie you presented, "I am not going to say I can fully know all there is to the Nature of God as the word of God tells us we can't" again you brought this, lets see what the TRUTH, the Bible say about KNOWING the GODHEAD. listen carefully,
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
so what EXCUSE you have not to KNOW? see, I didn't bring that false allegations, you did, I only responded to it... with scripture, and it is the SCRIPTURE, that expose your allegation as FALSE.
so again, don't get mad with 101G, I didn't bring the allegation, you did. and it was the sctiptures that exposed your allegation as false.
PICJAG,
101G
well I see you're still replying.... (smile). but no worries mate. as our Lord and savioue did I do like wise, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". see how easy it is to understand the scriptures. I even thank you for your reply, have you shown the same respect?
LOOK I'm not aganist you, only the false doctrine, I follow truth. now as for attacking the Trinity doctrine, no, just presenting the TRUTH, if anyone is attacking the Trinity doctrine is those who support it, not me. by your support of it, you expose it, and it's false allegations.
see, I don't have to do nothing, those who sipport it are doing it for me....... the false allegations that the supporter of it, just give me ammunition for scripture to espose it. so I don't have to attacking the Trinity doctrine, the supporters of it do. when they bring a false allegations, the ONLY THING I HAVE DO IS RESPOND TO "THE ALLEGATION", they bring it.... (smile). just like the false allegations of it's the "Father's" voice. did I bring that?
NOW, there is another lie you presented, "I am not going to say I can fully know all there is to the Nature of God as the word of God tells us we can't" again you brought this, lets see what the TRUTH, the Bible say about KNOWING the GODHEAD. listen carefully,
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
so what EXCUSE you have not to KNOW? see, I didn't bring that false allegations, you did, I only responded to it... with scripture, and it is the SCRIPTURE, that expose your allegation as FALSE.
so again, don't get mad with 101G, I didn't bring the allegation, you did. and it was the sctiptures that exposed your allegation as false.
PICJAG,
101G
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why are you still responding? did you not say that you was ending your comments to me? ...... 
... lol. oh well I welcome you, see I follow the scriptures, listen, 2 Thessalonians 3:13 "But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing."
2 Thessalonians 3:14 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed."
2 Thessalonians 3:15 "Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."
2 Thessalonians 3:16 "Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all."
see I will treat you as a BROTHER, and not as an ENEMY, but if you treat me otherwise, again, following our Lord and Saviour, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".
PICJAG,
101G.
... lol. oh well I welcome you, see I follow the scriptures, listen, 2 Thessalonians 3:13 "But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing."2 Thessalonians 3:14 "And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed."
2 Thessalonians 3:15 "Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."
2 Thessalonians 3:16 "Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all."
see I will treat you as a BROTHER, and not as an ENEMY, but if you treat me otherwise, again, following our Lord and Saviour, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".
PICJAG,
101G.
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I am not mad, nor would I allow you to do so. The idea of a false allegation is laughable. Yes, I did say I was done with you that was not a lie, I chose to respond. If you want to hold my feet to that please do. So will tell you this and we will be done.
here on Christian chat in the BDF the trinity is well established as a foundational truth. from the word of God. You do not have to agree with it, but to tell those here in CC BDF it is an error or unbiblical, or not biblical truth, will not be torlerated.
I am telling you if you continue you will not be here much longer. You do not have to agree, you do not have to accept the many biblical passages provided by many here, and you do not have to stay either.
The trinity doctrine is Biblical. I have said you nor I can fully know all there is about God DIVINE Nature, you do not accept, that fine.
You did not expose any false allegation of the trinity but display your basis.
NOW you can be assured you have been told.
as moderator, the trinity in CC will not be attacked or called error biblically.
Thank you,
here on Christian chat in the BDF the trinity is well established as a foundational truth. from the word of God. You do not have to agree with it, but to tell those here in CC BDF it is an error or unbiblical, or not biblical truth, will not be torlerated.
I am telling you if you continue you will not be here much longer. You do not have to agree, you do not have to accept the many biblical passages provided by many here, and you do not have to stay either.
The trinity doctrine is Biblical. I have said you nor I can fully know all there is about God DIVINE Nature, you do not accept, that fine.
You did not expose any false allegation of the trinity but display your basis.
NOW you can be assured you have been told.
as moderator, the trinity in CC will not be attacked or called error biblically.
Thank you,
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Now back to the topic at HAND, the doctrine of the trinity.
Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
NOW, lets get "weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
in the doctrine of the trinity, it has been said, the US and the OUR in Genesis 1:26 shows a trinity. we say NO, because the very next verse, states, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
so we ask, how did GOD go from a PLURALITY, in verse 26, to a SINGULARITY in the very next verse, 27?
and remember there is only one God who is CREATOR, which eliminates any angels. so that leaves PERSONS, and the only PERSON, who CREATED "ALL THINGS" is found in Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" and in John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
so now it's one person in Isaiah 44:24, and John 1:3, but in Matthew 19:4 the Son said this, "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
HE? a single person, just like Isaiah 44:24 stated, one PERSON MADE ALL THINGS.
so the question begs to be answered why did God say in Genesis 1:26 "Let US, and OUR?".
this will eliminate any three persons at the Lord Jesus baptism, and ant three persons at Genesis 1:1 or 1:26.
PICJAG,
101g.
Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
NOW, lets get "weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts."
in the doctrine of the trinity, it has been said, the US and the OUR in Genesis 1:26 shows a trinity. we say NO, because the very next verse, states, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
so we ask, how did GOD go from a PLURALITY, in verse 26, to a SINGULARITY in the very next verse, 27?
and remember there is only one God who is CREATOR, which eliminates any angels. so that leaves PERSONS, and the only PERSON, who CREATED "ALL THINGS" is found in Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" and in John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
so now it's one person in Isaiah 44:24, and John 1:3, but in Matthew 19:4 the Son said this, "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"
HE? a single person, just like Isaiah 44:24 stated, one PERSON MADE ALL THINGS.
so the question begs to be answered why did God say in Genesis 1:26 "Let US, and OUR?".
this will eliminate any three persons at the Lord Jesus baptism, and ant three persons at Genesis 1:1 or 1:26.
PICJAG,
101g.
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Matthew 10:17 "But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;"
Matthew 10:18 "And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles."
Matthew 10:19 "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak."
Matthew 10:20 "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."
PICJAG,
101G.
Matthew 10:18 "And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles."
Matthew 10:19 "But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak."
Matthew 10:20 "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."
PICJAG,
101G.
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We have many many examples of what being one is, made up of multiple parts. Some often use an example such as an egg, as a unified whole, being comprised of three parts: white, yolk, and shell, or H2O manifesting as liquid (water), steam, and/or ice. I like the example of our hands, since Jesus is said to sit at the right hand of God, as is the agency through which God created all that is, making Himself manifest to us in the flesh, etc... the same way our hands serve us, and are comprised of five fingers, one of which is called a thumb, making it distinct, while the other digits are never called a thumb. Heh, most analogies do break down at some point, but even one person is made up of a multiplicity of parts that optimally work in concert with each other
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NOTE: Before the flash point of creation. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)
Creator verses; Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9. Jesus is the creator of our universe.
The Father sent the Son Jn 3:16.
Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father. He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)
Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)
When Jesus prays to the Father:
(Question: Does Jesus pray to himself?)
John 14:28 Jesus say's, the Father is greater then him:
(Question: Is this scripture wrong or did Jesus lie here?)
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(Question: Did/does Jesus send himself?) Is Jesus returning to himself? Rereading I came from the Father (Jn 3:16 God sent his Son) I leave this world & return to the Father)
Heb 10:12 (B&C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(Question: Does Jesus sit down next to himself?) BTW this isn't the earthly/flestlyJesus, its the risen/glorified Jesus)
Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda, Vs 6 the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(My Note: Here again, this isn't the fleshly/earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Question: Does the risen/glorified Jesus/Lamb/Christ take the book from himself?)
Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand.
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Luk 20:42 David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
God the Son Jehovah/Jesus is the agent by whom God the Father works within our universe.
God the Son = Jehovah/Jesus is PREEMINENT (Col 1:18) in ALL things within our realm:
Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6
Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24
Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21
Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24
Jugdment: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1
After creation; Gen 1: Jehovah, God the Son rested from his work.
After Jesus/Jehovah = God the Son finished the work of redemption. He go's to Heaven and sits down next at the right hand of Jehovah God the Father (Acts 7:55-56, Eph 1:20, Col 3:1, Heb 8:1)
(NOTE: Before the flash point of creation. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)
Creator verses; Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9. Jesus is the creator of our universe.
The Father sent the Son Jn 3:16.
Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father. He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)
Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)
When Jesus prays to the Father:
(Question: Does Jesus pray to himself?)
John 14:28 Jesus say's, the Father is greater then him:
(Question: Is this scripture wrong or did Jesus lie here?)
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(Question: Did/does Jesus send himself?) Is Jesus returning to himself? Rereading I came from the Father (Jn 3:16 God sent his Son) I leave this world & return to the Father)
Heb 10:12 (B&C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(Question: Does Jesus sit down next to himself?) BTW this isn't the earthly/flestlyJesus, its the risen/glorified Jesus)
Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda, Vs 6 the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(My Note: Here again, this isn't the fleshly/earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Question: Does the risen/glorified Jesus/Lamb/Christ take the book from himself?)
Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand.
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Luk 20:42 David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
God the Son Jehovah/Jesus is the agent by whom God the Father works within our universe.
God the Son = Jehovah/Jesus is PREEMINENT (Col 1:18) in ALL things within our realm:
Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6
Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24
Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21
Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24
Jugdment: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1
After creation; Gen 1: Jehovah, God the Son rested from his work.
After Jesus/Jehovah = God the Son finished the work of redemption. He go's to Heaven and sits down next at the right hand of Jehovah God the Father (Acts 7:55-56, Eph 1:20, Col 3:1, Heb 8:1)
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(NOTE: Before the flash point of creation. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)
Creator verses; Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9. Jesus is the creator of our universe.
The Father sent the Son Jn 3:16.
Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father. He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)
Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)
When Jesus prays to the Father:
(Question: Does Jesus pray to himself?)
John 14:28 Jesus say's, the Father is greater then him:
(Question: Is this scripture wrong or did Jesus lie here?)
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(Question: Did/does Jesus send himself?) Is Jesus returning to himself? Rereading I came from the Father (Jn 3:16 God sent his Son) I leave this world & return to the Father)
Heb 10:12 (B&C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(Question: Does Jesus sit down next to himself?) BTW this isn't the earthly/flestlyJesus, its the risen/glorified Jesus)
Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda, Vs 6 the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(My Note: Here again, this isn't the fleshly/earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Question: Does the risen/glorified Jesus/Lamb/Christ take the book from himself?)
Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand.
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Luk 20:42 David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
God the Son Jehovah/Jesus is the agent by whom God the Father works within our universe.
God the Son = Jehovah/Jesus is PREEMINENT (Col 1:18) in ALL things within our realm:
Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6
Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24
Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21
Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24
Judgent: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1
After creation; Gen 1: Jehovah, God the Son rested from his work.
After Jesus/Jehovah = God the Son finished the work of redemption. He go's to Heaven and sits down next at the right hand of Jehovah God the Father (Acts 7:55-56, Eph 1:20, Col 3:1, Heb 8:1)
(NOTE: Before the flash point of creation. The Word/Jesus (Rev 13:19) was with God (The Father) and was/is also God)
Creator verses; Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16 & 17, 1 Cor 8:6, Eph 3:9. Jesus is the creator of our universe.
The Father sent the Son Jn 3:16.
Jn 16:28 Jesus said, I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father
(NOTE: The SON of God/Jesus say's, He came forth from the Father. He will return to the Father. Although, The Son is ONE WITH, he's NOT the Father)
Jn 17:5 O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
(NOTE: Before the world began, the Son, enjoyed glory "WITH" the Father. "NOT AS" the Father)
When Jesus prays to the Father:
(Question: Does Jesus pray to himself?)
John 14:28 Jesus say's, the Father is greater then him:
(Question: Is this scripture wrong or did Jesus lie here?)
John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
(Question: Did/does Jesus send himself?) Is Jesus returning to himself? Rereading I came from the Father (Jn 3:16 God sent his Son) I leave this world & return to the Father)
Heb 10:12 (B&C) after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
(Question: Does Jesus sit down next to himself?) BTW this isn't the earthly/flestlyJesus, its the risen/glorified Jesus)
Rev 5:7 And he (Vs 5, the Loin of the tribe of Juda, Vs 6 the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
(My Note: Here again, this isn't the fleshly/earthly Jesus. This is the risen/glorified Jesus. Question: Does the risen/glorified Jesus/Lamb/Christ take the book from himself?)
Scripture states 4 TIMES: "God the Father" said to "God the Son" Sit at my right hand.
Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Luk 20:42 David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
God the Son Jehovah/Jesus is the agent by whom God the Father works within our universe.
God the Son = Jehovah/Jesus is PREEMINENT (Col 1:18) in ALL things within our realm:
Creation: Jn 1:3 & 10, Col 1:16, 1 Cor 8:6
Redemption: Gal 3:13, Rev 5:9, Col 1:14, Rom3:24
Resurrection: Jn 11:25, Acts 4:33, 1Pet 1:3 & 3:21
Mediation: 1 Tim 2:5, Heb 8:6, 9:15, 12:24
Judgent: Jn 5:22, Rom 2:16, 2 Tim 4:1
After creation; Gen 1: Jehovah, God the Son rested from his work.
After Jesus/Jehovah = God the Son finished the work of redemption. He go's to Heaven and sits down next at the right hand of Jehovah God the Father (Acts 7:55-56, Eph 1:20, Col 3:1, Heb 8:1)
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Hello @101G
Jesus Christ is ONE with the Father and only does the Father's Will....
The Father works by sending His Word (Jesus Christ) WITH His Spirit to accomplish His Will....
The Word and The Spirit work together to do the Father's Will - ALL 3 are ONE.
There's no need to stumble over WHO sent the Comforter.....or WHO sent the Word - it's The Father "at work" - it's GOD at work - ALL 3 are ONE GOD.
Jesus Christ is ONE with the Father and only does the Father's Will....
The Father works by sending His Word (Jesus Christ) WITH His Spirit to accomplish His Will....
The Word and The Spirit work together to do the Father's Will - ALL 3 are ONE.
There's no need to stumble over WHO sent the Comforter.....or WHO sent the Word - it's The Father "at work" - it's GOD at work - ALL 3 are ONE GOD.
"Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said ... If we are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, ... (which resulted in healing) ... let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ ..., whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands before you whole (healed). ... Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:8-12)
Father and Son are certainly not names. Has anybody ever said "in the name of COUSIN" or "in the name of NEPHEW"?
These words do not specify, nor identify, an individual from others of the same designation. I may be a father, a son, a brother, a cousin, a nephew, etc. Does that identify me to ANYBODY among all others of those designations?
No.
The Father and Son have actual names that unmistakably identify them from ALL others.
"Therefore God has also highly exalted Him (Jesus) and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, ... every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, ..." (Phil. 2:9-11)
It is very interesting to note that there is NO RECORD of any of the disciples/apostles obeying the Great Commission of Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. On the contrary, every single baptism recorded in scripture, which details the pronouncement, is done in the name of Jesus Christ.
Were they forgetful? Did they have no respect for a command given them by Jesus face-to-face? Or did they understand Him to say something entirely different?
"Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins."
-Peter (Acts 2:38)
"Then Paul said, 'John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
(Acts 19:4-5)
Can you find any examples in scripture of baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?
Did God teach the Trinity doctrine anywhere in scripture? No, He did not.
Did Moses teach it? No.
Did Jesus teach it? No.
Did John the Baptist? No.
Did any of the apostles that laid the foundation of Christianity in the first centuries immediately after Christ's death? No.
Who are we to believe that we should teach, or believe in, such a doctrine?
Father and Son are certainly not names. Has anybody ever said "in the name of COUSIN" or "in the name of NEPHEW"?
These words do not specify, nor identify, an individual from others of the same designation. I may be a father, a son, a brother, a cousin, a nephew, etc. Does that identify me to ANYBODY among all others of those designations?
No.
The Father and Son have actual names that unmistakably identify them from ALL others.
"Therefore God has also highly exalted Him (Jesus) and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, ... every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, ..." (Phil. 2:9-11)
It is very interesting to note that there is NO RECORD of any of the disciples/apostles obeying the Great Commission of Matthew 28:19 to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. On the contrary, every single baptism recorded in scripture, which details the pronouncement, is done in the name of Jesus Christ.
Were they forgetful? Did they have no respect for a command given them by Jesus face-to-face? Or did they understand Him to say something entirely different?
"Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins."
-Peter (Acts 2:38)
"Then Paul said, 'John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
(Acts 19:4-5)
Can you find any examples in scripture of baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost?
Did God teach the Trinity doctrine anywhere in scripture? No, He did not.
Did Moses teach it? No.
Did Jesus teach it? No.
Did John the Baptist? No.
Did any of the apostles that laid the foundation of Christianity in the first centuries immediately after Christ's death? No.
Who are we to believe that we should teach, or believe in, such a doctrine?
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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treis tria
trice, tree'-ah
A primary (plural) number; “three”: - three.
Trinity means "three".
(Latin: trinus meaning "threefold, triple", Late Latin: trinitatem, Greek: trias meaning "three", English: trinity).
Three are our one God. Those three are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/trinity
trinity (n.)
early 13c., "the Father, Son and Holy Spirit," constituting one God in prevailing Christian doctrine, from Old French trinite "Holy Trinity" (11c.), from Late Latin trinitatem (nominative trinitas) "Trinity, triad" (Tertullian), from Latin trinus "threefold, triple," from plural of trini "three at a time, threefold," related to tres (neuter tria) "three" (see three).
The Latin word was widely borrowed in European languages with the spread of Christianity (Irish trionnoid, Welsh trindod, German trinität). Old English used þrines as a loan-translation of Latin trinitas.
These same three are found many places in scripture and all are identified as God:
The Father is God
2Pe_1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Son is God
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Jesus is God because the OT says Israel's Rock was God and Christ was that same Rock.
Holy Spirit is God
Act 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
Act 5:2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Here lying to the Holy Spirit is called lying to God.
To believe in the Trinity is to believe these three things are true, that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are each God in their own right and work together as One.
The Trinity is found in these verses, some from the OT!
2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.
Lord Jesus Christ, God (the Father), the Holy Spirit, the Trinity!
Isaiah 48:16-17 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me. Thus says the Lord, your redeemer”
Here is a person speaking who was there from the beginning, and says he is "the Lord, your redeemer", and He mentions "the Lord God and His Spirit" that is the Trinity!
Isaiah 42:1 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”
Here God (the Father) speaks of his elect servant (Jesus) and His Spirit which is the Holy Spirit, and that is the Trinity!
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