Not By Works

My prayer for you with the red X on my post about my surgery, I will send up a prayer for you. Hope your health stays in good shape.

Glad all is well

The Scriptures also refer to "the church that was in the wilderness" and undeniably place the pre-incarnate Christ there with them at the Exodus, according to 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 KJV. What do you do with that one?
"Prove all things". Sadly, the church is so littered with Jesuit inspired, sensationalist bulldookey today that the Protestant Reformers must be spinning in their graves.

You just keep making my point about how man-centered your theology is, don't you? Our focus is to be on Christ Who was there at the Creation and all throughout the OT long before He was made flesh...but I guess if flesh is the filter through which you view Scripture, then all sorts of false doctrine are possible, right?

When you realize "all Scripture" is good for direction and instruction in righteousness, you'll understand that when Jesus taught the people to "abide in the Vine", His words didn't have an expiration date, but apply to all generations.

Please, let's get two things straight that should have been evident from the beginning:
1) I know somewhat how to use a lexicon.
2) When I said "abide means to surrender", I wasn't trying to establish that "surrender" is a dictionary definition of the word, and assumed anyone reading that would immediately see that to be the case.

It should be as clear now as it should have been then that by saying "abide means to surrender", I meant "surrender" in concept: because all the definitions of the verb "abide" demand the surrender of our will to God's will in order to comply with Jesus' command to abide.

Understand now?

yes, we are to surrender our wills to God's will for us.


that is a RESULT of salvation, not a cause , nor a maintainer.

i can speak to this personally, when i was 16- 26 years old, i believed in God, Jesus, etc.. the basics.
but, it had no bearing on my like, i knew what God expected, i just did not care.

when i came to Christ, i cared about these things, that is " surrender"

so, i see what you are saying.

i just think you are framing it to mean " surrender " means " salvation"

it does not.

faith and trust in Christ means salvation.

everything, and i ,mean everything else is a separate converstion.

'Church 'is a word . That word is found in various places . The body of christ ( Church) is the one im referring to . Things different are not the same .

Did the command to Noah to build an Ark have a expiration date ?

It's enough to make one's head explode....James was only for Jews, Romans was only to Roman, Jesus had nothing to say to Christians...yes, Christ had nothing to say to the very ones whose very namesake means "Christ follower".

I appreciate your prayers and am well aware perfect obedience in thought, word, and practice cannot merit us even one foot off the ground when the saints rise to meet Jesus, as He plainly said in Luke 17:10 KLV:


That should put to rest your concerns. Now, to those who are trusting in a false OSAS License to Sin, I pray that you all will abandon this heresy, get on your knees and pray for Christ to come in and live out His obedient life in you, get up and put on the Armor of God, and fight the good fight of faith instead of cowering as defeated slaves to sin in Satan's prisoner of war camp.

Just as it's impossible for a woman to be both pregnant and not pregnant at the same time, it's impossible for one to be saved by God while simultaneously in rebellion to God. Repentance aka "change in mindset" aka "surrender" is the means by which salvation is obtained.

There is no Spiritual Switzerland!

Don't forget foot washing.

Which verse says that it applies to all generations? Like this verse
5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I bet you don't apply this one ,you dispensationalism follower you .

"Body of Christ" is a concept.
That concept is found in various places.
The Church (those walking according to the will of God) is the concept I'm referring to.
Concepts equal in substance and scope are not to be selectively applied here and their, but are applicable to all things and all people.

I'm one of those crazies who believes what the bible actually says .

If Jesus commanded His people to take of the bread and cup after He commanded them to wash one another's feet as a sign of our humility in Him, His people ought to do so. The one is well known as "Communion" while the other is historically known as the "Ordinance of Humility".

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Why is it always ,everyone else is in danger apart from the person preaching fear through lordship salvation . Its never themselves?

I'm sure you sincerely do...just like Jehovah's Witnesses sincerely believe Christ being Michael the Archangel is nothing more than a created being, Catholics sincerely believe the Popes "hold upon this place (the throne of Peter in the Vatican) the place of God Almighty" and each is "Jesus Christ Himself, hidden under veil of flesh", Muslims sincerely believe blowing up infidels secures them 72 virgins.

I think you're confused about who's preaching fear...a surrendered relationship with God means peace with Him (Isaiah 27:5 KJV) and a delight to do His commandments (Psalms 40:8 KJV), while the hard way of the transgressor produces fear of consequences and the subsequent manufacture of a false OSAS License to Sin.

BTW, the crowd has never been right. In Noah's day, the crowd drowned. In Lot's day, the crowd burned up. In Jesus' day, the crowd shouted, "crucify Him, crucify Him." During the Dark Ages, the crowd killed 150 MILLION faithful Christians. And today, the crowd is still nailing Him to the Cross (Hebrews 6:6 KJV) through disobedience to His commandments.