Is The Book of Revelation a False Prophecy?
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I think it was not just Nero, but both Rome (which he represented) and the Jewish Religion.... and continuing to this day as what I believe "The Beast" actually is.... the forces of evil that are "antichrist" (meaning "to be against Christ", not some specific man rising to world dominance)
I am not sure what you asked in that second sentence. But, I believe Jesus (God) only came in the form of judgment ("riding on the clouds" always represented judgment coming upon a person or nation, all through the Bible.) upon Israel and how the whole nation turned away from truly following God.
I feel that His "Second Coming" is still way off in our great, great (+++++) grandchildren's future.... well after the world moves back toward desiring Him.
I am not sure what you asked in that second sentence. But, I believe Jesus (God) only came in the form of judgment ("riding on the clouds" always represented judgment coming upon a person or nation, all through the Bible.) upon Israel and how the whole nation turned away from truly following God.
I feel that His "Second Coming" is still way off in our great, great (+++++) grandchildren's future.... well after the world moves back toward desiring Him.
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Main Topic: Yes. The book of Revelation is a false prophesy (in my opinion). I've been studying this topic for a long time and i have gathered a large amount of evidence to show how i came to this conclusion. I have found contradictions to Jesus' words on just about every page of Revelation starting with Chapter 1, verse 1.
For example: Revelation 1:1 has been called into question in the past due to the word "soon." While I agree that the word "soon" proves it is a false prophesy, there is another word in verse 1 that proves it even more false. That is the word "servant." John 15:15 says "i will never call you servant again." But Revelation 1:1 says "to my servant John." This is a major contradiction and a broken promise. In john 15:15 Jesus tells John the reason he will never call him a "servant" again is because a servant does not know what his master is doing. But since Jesus told him everything he was doing, he would not call him "servant" again. This debunks Revelation in multiple ways. If Jesus already told John "everything he is doing" then why would he need to come back and tell him more stuff in a dream vision? I thought he already told him "everything." And this is just the first verse!!
Side Topic: having the preconceived notion that the bible is 100% inspired by God is dangerous (in my opinion). The bible itself condemns the act of judging a matter before hearing both sides first. Presumptuousness is not good morals (according to the bible).
For example: Revelation 1:1 has been called into question in the past due to the word "soon." While I agree that the word "soon" proves it is a false prophesy, there is another word in verse 1 that proves it even more false. That is the word "servant." John 15:15 says "i will never call you servant again." But Revelation 1:1 says "to my servant John." This is a major contradiction and a broken promise. In john 15:15 Jesus tells John the reason he will never call him a "servant" again is because a servant does not know what his master is doing. But since Jesus told him everything he was doing, he would not call him "servant" again. This debunks Revelation in multiple ways. If Jesus already told John "everything he is doing" then why would he need to come back and tell him more stuff in a dream vision? I thought he already told him "everything." And this is just the first verse!!
Side Topic: having the preconceived notion that the bible is 100% inspired by God is dangerous (in my opinion). The bible itself condemns the act of judging a matter before hearing both sides first. Presumptuousness is not good morals (according to the bible).
Is The Book of Revelation a False Prophecy?
No. Revelation perfectly agrees with all the other books of the Bible. To suggest as that question suggests is to call all of God's Word a lie.
Revelation
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
No. Revelation perfectly agrees with all the other books of the Bible. To suggest as that question suggests is to call all of God's Word a lie.
Revelation
22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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Revelation 5:12 “Worthy is the Lamb, who was SLAIN, to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and HONOR and GLORY and blessing!”
Revelation 5:9 “Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals, BECAUSE You were slain..."
2Peter 1:16 "For we did not follow cleverly devised FABLES when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received HONOR and GLORY from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain..." ..AT HIS BAPTISM
This proves it beyond any doubt. Jesus gained the power and honor and glory at his baptism, NOT at his death. Revelation is not God's word.
Revelation 5:9 “Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals, BECAUSE You were slain..."
2Peter 1:16 "For we did not follow cleverly devised FABLES when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For He received HONOR and GLORY from God the Father when the voice came to Him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." And we ourselves heard this voice from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain..." ..AT HIS BAPTISM
This proves it beyond any doubt. Jesus gained the power and honor and glory at his baptism, NOT at his death. Revelation is not God's word.
First thanks for the reply, and I founf your posts. starting with post #183, you said,
if you will, lets start with the Word "Soon". or as the KJV have it, "Shortly". but both express a minimal amout of time. consider this, may we make this suggestion, 2 Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (please read that verse again).
2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
see, the soon is UNKNOWN, so when he come is will be soon at that time when he comes. because God time is not man's time. and we're now in a "GRACE" period, and as verse 8, & 9 clearly states, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, 9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish".
see, we live by FAITH, listen, Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"
Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.".
see our life on this planet is not even a couple of nano seconds, compaired to eternity, so as the apostle Peter states, 9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;". so the soon in revelation is correct, in God's eye, and not man's.
so the "soon" should be ok now. I'll address the next part, if you have no problems with the reply, in reference to your question on "Soon"..
PICJAG,
101G.
if you will, lets start with the Word "Soon". or as the KJV have it, "Shortly". but both express a minimal amout of time. consider this, may we make this suggestion, 2 Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (please read that verse again).
2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
see, the soon is UNKNOWN, so when he come is will be soon at that time when he comes. because God time is not man's time. and we're now in a "GRACE" period, and as verse 8, & 9 clearly states, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, 9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish".
see, we live by FAITH, listen, Romans 8:24 "For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?"
Romans 8:25 "But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.".
see our life on this planet is not even a couple of nano seconds, compaired to eternity, so as the apostle Peter states, 9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;". so the soon in revelation is correct, in God's eye, and not man's.
so the "soon" should be ok now. I'll address the next part, if you have no problems with the reply, in reference to your question on "Soon"..
PICJAG,
101G.
you answered your OWN question, because John truly didn't know all that was revealed to him, remember it was siginified, listen, Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"
John didn't know fully, because at one point John was crying because he didn't know, listen, Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon."
Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
and watch this, many today still don't know who is standing before the throne, (the Lamb), and many today don't know who was sitting on the throne, (the Son), so in God wisdom, we all are still servants when it come to the book of Revelation.
PICJAG,
101G.
John didn't know fully, because at one point John was crying because he didn't know, listen, Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon."
Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."
Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
and watch this, many today still don't know who is standing before the throne, (the Lamb), and many today don't know who was sitting on the throne, (the Son), so in God wisdom, we all are still servants when it come to the book of Revelation.
PICJAG,
101G.
I must disagree with that assessment. what he received was the Spirit, which is Honor, and Grace, and the POWER to work in him, but HE received POWER himself in his resurrection, here is the determining scripture, John 17:1 "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:"
John 17:2 "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
there is the POWER, because when in Flesh and blood he was,
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
that's why he received the pouring or the anointing of the Spirit in the G2758 κενόω kenoo state of flesh and blood. but when he loss that blood, he was raised in POWER, supportive scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
there is the all POWER, in his resurrection and not at his baptism.
just an easy mistake on your part, no harm.
that should take care of both post, #183, and #186.
PICJAG,
101G
John 17:2 "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."
John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
there is the POWER, because when in Flesh and blood he was,
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
that's why he received the pouring or the anointing of the Spirit in the G2758 κενόω kenoo state of flesh and blood. but when he loss that blood, he was raised in POWER, supportive scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
there is the all POWER, in his resurrection and not at his baptism.
just an easy mistake on your part, no harm.
that should take care of both post, #183, and #186.
PICJAG,
101G
The word in Greek is not an "adverb" (like "soon" is)... instead, the word is a NOUN ("IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]")... not any adverbs like: "soon," quickLY," "immediateLY," "shortLY," etc (re: 1:1).
And it is speaking specifically of the "future" aspects of the Book (in contrast to "the things WHICH ARE" which things are NOT said "must come to pass in quickness [noun]"); the parts that He was now [95ad] going to "SHOW UNTO" (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1, the "future" aspects of the Book).
The word "soon [adverb]" is not the word used in verse 1 (the "noun" "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" is the word used).
Therefore, there is NOTHING "false" about it. = )
Apparently you've only read up to the end of John 15?
For, in John 16:12-16, Jesus tells them, "I have YET MANY THINGS TO SAY unto you, BUT ye cannot bear them NOW. HOWBEIT WHEN..."
In your verse (Jn15:15), He'd said, "because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you."...
but one thing even Jesus did not "know" [YET] at that point (during His earthly ministry) was that which Matt24:36 (and its parallels) refer to: "But of that day and hour knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man, no, not the angels of heaven [nor even Jesus Himself, per Mk13:32], but my Father only" (speaking of the point in time of His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19]);
...but here in Rev1:1 [years later, well-after His ascension], it says, "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO Him [unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO...," i.e. NOW He is disclosing FURTHER INFORMATION on that very Subject (because God "GAVE" it unto Him "TO SHEW UNTO"--and this John records, esp. from 4:1's "SHEW" / "future" aspects of the Book, including time-stamps-and-indicators, regarding that very Subject. (IOW, it isn't the case that Jesus STILL DOES NOT "KNOW," as some suggest Matt24:36 means [and its parallel passages]. But He couldn't disclose it to them during His earthly ministry, because He Himself did not yet "know" it, AT THAT TIME.)
And it is speaking specifically of the "future" aspects of the Book (in contrast to "the things WHICH ARE" which things are NOT said "must come to pass in quickness [noun]"); the parts that He was now [95ad] going to "SHOW UNTO" (1:1 / 1:19c / 4:1, the "future" aspects of the Book).
The word "soon [adverb]" is not the word used in verse 1 (the "noun" "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" is the word used).
Therefore, there is NOTHING "false" about it. = )
Apparently you've only read up to the end of John 15?
For, in John 16:12-16, Jesus tells them, "I have YET MANY THINGS TO SAY unto you, BUT ye cannot bear them NOW. HOWBEIT WHEN..."
In your verse (Jn15:15), He'd said, "because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you."...
but one thing even Jesus did not "know" [YET] at that point (during His earthly ministry) was that which Matt24:36 (and its parallels) refer to: "But of that day and hour knoweth [PERFECT indicative] no man, no, not the angels of heaven [nor even Jesus Himself, per Mk13:32], but my Father only" (speaking of the point in time of His Second Coming to the earth [Rev19]);
...but here in Rev1:1 [years later, well-after His ascension], it says, "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ, WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO Him [unto Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO...," i.e. NOW He is disclosing FURTHER INFORMATION on that very Subject (because God "GAVE" it unto Him "TO SHEW UNTO"--and this John records, esp. from 4:1's "SHEW" / "future" aspects of the Book, including time-stamps-and-indicators, regarding that very Subject. (IOW, it isn't the case that Jesus STILL DOES NOT "KNOW," as some suggest Matt24:36 means [and its parallel passages]. But He couldn't disclose it to them during His earthly ministry, because He Himself did not yet "know" it, AT THAT TIME.)
Bit of nonsense here
"Paul a servant of Jesus Christ"
"Peter a servant of Jesus Christ"
"James a servant of Jesus Christ"
That's how they introduce themselves in their letters.
The portion you read from Revelations begins with John saying "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" so what was spoken by Christ to John after this applies to the Lord's day including "things which must soon come to pass"
hey the Lord's day wasn't Sunday
it was the Day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what would all transpire on the Day of the Lord. It is not Revelations it is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, that is His revelation from heaven, His 2nd coming. that's what the book is about.
"Paul a servant of Jesus Christ"
"Peter a servant of Jesus Christ"
"James a servant of Jesus Christ"
That's how they introduce themselves in their letters.
The portion you read from Revelations begins with John saying "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" so what was spoken by Christ to John after this applies to the Lord's day including "things which must soon come to pass"
hey the Lord's day wasn't Sunday
it was the Day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what would all transpire on the Day of the Lord. It is not Revelations it is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, that is His revelation from heaven, His 2nd coming. that's what the book is about.-
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Bit of nonsense here
"Paul a servant of Jesus Christ"
"Peter a servant of Jesus Christ"
"James a servant of Jesus Christ"
That's how they introduce themselves in their letters.
The portion you read from Revelations begins with John saying "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" so what was spoken by Christ to John after this applies to the Lord's day including "things which must soon come to pass"
hey the Lord's day wasn't Sunday it was the Day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what would all transpire on the Day of the Lord. It is not Revelations it is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, that is His revelation from heaven, His 2nd coming. that's what the book is about.
"Paul a servant of Jesus Christ"
"Peter a servant of Jesus Christ"
"James a servant of Jesus Christ"
That's how they introduce themselves in their letters.
The portion you read from Revelations begins with John saying "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day" so what was spoken by Christ to John after this applies to the Lord's day including "things which must soon come to pass"
hey the Lord's day wasn't Sunday
it was the Day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what would all transpire on the Day of the Lord. It is not Revelations it is The Revelation of Jesus Christ, that is His revelation from heaven, His 2nd coming. that's what the book is about.
Rev 21:5 He who was seated on the throne said, ‘I am making everything new!’
Then he said, ‘Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.’
IMO this^ makes speculation about the authenticity of The Revelation redundant.
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The copies of John's Apocalypse that we have today are accurate...
Due to the extreme amount of literary devices in the book...it's obvious that the substance of what is written there was to be known, but not understood. Otherwise it would have been stated plainly.
However, there is, was, and will be a small fragment of the population who will understand what is written.
But because God has obviously chosen to not reveal the future plainly to all of mankind why should Christians desire to make it plain to everyone? Ergo: go against what God has desired?
Due to the extreme amount of literary devices in the book...it's obvious that the substance of what is written there was to be known, but not understood. Otherwise it would have been stated plainly.
However, there is, was, and will be a small fragment of the population who will understand what is written.
But because God has obviously chosen to not reveal the future plainly to all of mankind why should Christians desire to make it plain to everyone? Ergo: go against what God has desired?
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