When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

God never did gather them without repentance.

But my point was that based on bible prophecy there must be jews in Jerusalem and there must be something behind all this because of the miracles the state of Israel has seen such as surviving the 5 nation attack on it.

Total nonsense and totally in error.

Yeah you got me on that😔😔😔

In 1948 Israel became a nation in one day just as the Lord said.

Jer 31:10Hear the word of the LORD, you nations,
And declare it in the coastlands far away,
And say, “He who scattered Israel will gather him,
And He will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.”
11For the LORD has ransomed Jacob
And redeemed him from the hand of him who was stronger than he.
12“They will come and shout for joy on the height of Zion,
And they will be radiant over the [g]bounty of the LORD—
Over the grain, the new wine, the oil,
And over the young of the flock and the herd.
And their life will be like a watered garden,
And they will never languish again.

Isaiah 41:8“But you, Israel, My servant,
Jacob whom I have chosen,
Descendant of Abraham My friend,
9You whom I have [c]taken from the ends of the earth
And called from its remotest parts,
And said to you, ‘You are My servant,
I have chosen you and have not rejected you.
10‘Do not fear, for I am with you;
Do not be afraid, for I am your God.
I will strengthen you, I will also help you,
I will also uphold you with My righteous right hand.’

Ezekiel 37:15The word of the LORD came again to me, saying, 16“Now you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, ‘For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17Then put them together for yourself one to another into one stick, so that they may become one in your hand. 18And when the sons of your people speak to you, saying, ‘Will you not declare to us what [h]you mean by these?’ 19say to them, ‘This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I am going to take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.”’ 20The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes. 21And say to them, ‘This is what the Lord GOD says: “Behold, I am going to take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations, and no longer be divided into two kingdoms. 23They will no longer defile themselves with their idols, or with their detestable things, or with any of their offenses; but I will rescue them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. And they will be My people, and I will be their God.

How is it anti-"semantic" to say that Jews must repent in order to be gathered into the kingdom?

How is that the most dangerous spiritually?

Isn't it MOST dangerous, spiritually, to try and teach that rebellious jews are Gods People and have nothing to worry about???

These kinds of teachings even undermine the Christian faith.
Jesus said " I will not forsake you or leave you"
Now I ask is God and Jesus at odds with this? If the teaching of "God is done with the jews" then is the commitment of Jesus more so than Gods?.
If the Lord placed a blindness on the jews for a season but then come to judge and destroy them is that the righteousness we know God to have?
Jesus first mission was to the jews but he was cut short (crucified) the word of the Lord will not return void. So has it?

To speak against Israel is to poke at the apple of God's eye.

Thanks. But, if God required repentance before gathering the people back but none was accomplished, the people who now occupy the OT promised land CAN’T be “Israel” is my point.

And why can't they be?

How so? The text does say the prophecy has to do with the Jews and Jerusalem and the Messiah’s advent and His death, and the destruction of the city and the sanctuary which all was accomplished by 70 AD.

I’m thinking the verse to which you refer was fulfilled in the return from Babylonian captivity.

They did become a nation in one day when in Ezra 7, Artaxerxes affirmed the previous decrees for them to build their temple but then added the right for them to establish a wall, a judiciary, and a constabulary, fulfilling the comprehensive details of Gabriel in Dan 9.

Because God could not have gathered them back unless they first repented.

The Lord is merciful, yes, but when He establishes terms and conditions, He expects us to confirm to them, not them to us.

What can we possibly bring to His bargaining table, except a lost soul? We got nuthin else 🤐

but they will repent

Agreed. The Almighty's word can't be broken.

I disagree. The Almighty's word can't be broken.

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There's another option. There are still promises that the Almighty will keep with Israel for the sake of the patriarchs He loves, particularly Abraham. Yes, those in Christ are of Abraham's seed by faith and heirs according to the promise...but we're also told that - just like The Almighty told Elijah He had 7000 reserved who never denied him - a remnant of blood Israel has been preserved according to the election of grace....while the rest were cut off until they turned back to Him.


Romans 11:1-5
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


These individuals are "The Elect" of Matthew 24 and the 144,000 Israelites who were sealed in Revelation 7, for the sake of whom "those days" of tribulation upon Israel were cut short (remember I'm a fellow historicist).

1948 was no regathering (Ezekiel 35 & 36 explain who those currently running the land are). The true regathering must still occur as prophesied, but only when the original people turn back to Almighty with all their hearts. And scripture shows that the regathering event and the resurrection event are the same events.

God can work in people's lives before they repent.

God's a Universalist? He's going to just forget His demands of repentance and just bring everyone into the heavenly promised land like it's being suggested He did with "Israel" in 1948?

YOUR kind of teaching DOES undermine the Christian Faith. Not everyone needs Christ?


How does SHOWING that the Jews rejected Christ somehow also show that God has left and forsaken? God is still there. All they need to do is repent of their rejecting Christ. Just like every unbeliever.

The Lord Jesus is the Lamb of God and His Mission was in NO WAY cut short. It is your understanding that has been cut short.


Jews and Israel are 2 entirely different things.

Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Your problem is with scripture and not me.

“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

I did not say that God abandoned Israel... In fact he has not.

Only by Christ do we enter in. Everyone needs Christ.
What I said was jesus first went to the jews only....this mission will be accomplished in his second coming....Israel will be redeemed....saved.