Why does God allow suffering?

wait,


this doesn't actually say 'to be absent with the body is to be present with the Lord'
it does say if we're making ourselves at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord ((not quite the converse))
and it does say we're quite happy to be absent from the body & present with the Lord..
but that's because whether present in the body or not present in the body, we aim to be with Him.

so it's not 'being in the body' that prevents anyone from being with Him -- it's being 'at home' in the flesh.
and it's not 'being absent from the body' that automatically puts anyone into His presence, or pleases Him.

this part, yes, amen!

this part, interesting insight about the connection to sadducees denying the resurrection, but Paul never said 'to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord'
false statement, false accusation, false misquote.

i am getting the impression that you are among those who reject Paul altogether?
even so, such people should not slander him. but 'eat the revelation' in 2 Corinthians 5 -- it's not what you were thinking it is

what He actually says is quite profound:

He says the one believing in Him, even tho he dies, will live.
so there is a life that death cannot overcome

He says the one who lives and believes in Him shall never die.
this doesn't seem to me to be about the life & death of the body, but about a life transcending mortal living & dying.
i mean, next thing He does is call Lazarus out of the grave. clearly Lazarus had died in the body. Jesus waited for the 4th day to do this -- a time period of extreme significance. the Jewish tradition was that the soul lingers for 3 days around the body, and then departs on the 4th day. so Christ is demonstrating His absolute authority over the soul, not just over physical separation of the person from the flesh.

is this compatible with what Paul says to the people in Corinth?
yes, 100%. same gospel. our life, which we have received through His Spirit, is not having to do with the body and our connection to it. it's independent of that. we are with Him even while we dwell in these tents, if we walk in Him and have the Spirit -- present with Him while we do not make our home in the flesh. and if we remain in Him, and He in us, then to be departed from the body does not separate us from Him, nor does it accomplish being joined with Him: because being in His presence is by Him who calls us to Himself, even God, who works these things in us. we wish to be further clothed, not unclothed - meaning we do not now find ourselves naked. Lazarus too - whether in the body or out of the body, it is not by the body or the absence from it that he is with Him, but because the Lord visits, and calls on him, and he answers.

If this is a serious question, I will answer it.

The Path to life, which is being born again, is gradually putting on immortalilty in life alive. Just as it takes months for a pregnancy to run its course, so too does the rebirth of the physical body unto transifiguration. it is not instant, which is why Jesus His Pre-Eminence said: Those that endured to the end shall be saved. The Spirit Being eats the WORD of GOD. The WORD of GOD is food for the Spirit.

The WORD of GOD is Spiritual and Life giving. Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached messages about eating HIS WORD. Eating the WORD of GOD is not storing it in your brain, but meditating on the WORD till it reaches your Spirit Being. When it reaches your Spirit Being, it is no longer in the realm of belief, but it is known to you.

When the Revelations reach your Spirit Being, it crystalises and it hatches the cell system that is the original gene of the Son of GOD. It is what was called: the GOD kind of life. This is called Zoe. Apostle Peter called it: The incorruptible seed. The reason is because the blood cell system is the sin nature, and is the corruptible seed. When Zoe cells are hatched they are hatched in batches of 12 sets, and each set has 144. Zoe cells cannot muliply, they are a must add seed.

There is the total number of Zoe cells needed to reach Jericho, which is the state where the walls of mortality have been brought down, revealed in the fact that Joshua could not push the walls down, but had to walk around them 1x a day for 7 days, and on the 7th day 7x and then shout before the walls came down.

And he learnt this by Revelation knowledge, instructions given to him by an Angel. The 7 times are pointing to the 7 Angels of the Church, and their messages that they preached, and the reason why they had to walk 7 times on the 7th day, was because the messages of all the Angels of the Churches, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Apostle Peter, and the Son of Man had to be revisited, so that they could be restituted, brought out in their perfect state, nalderated, unaffected by misstanslations, and mistransmissions, because alot was done to the WORD that the church has not known of. This is what called for Elijah, the one who will restore all things after the falling away., which actually started from the days of Moses.

Zoe cells are light, they are micro-micro, they are celestial cells and it is Zoe that provides the Glory Raiment, the robe of righteousness, the wedding garment. Zoe cells are the building blocks of the immortal body. The Path to life is 4 stages of positive metamorphosis signposted in 2 kings 2:

Gilgal, Bethel, Jericho, Jordan and across.

There is a reason why Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached a parable of of samaritan, who was robbed on his way to Jericho, because Jericho is the state where the person has won his race - that means he crushed death, he put on the immortal body in life alive. And that still is not transfiguration. As you know, Jesus His Pre-Eminence appeared to the Apostles and they did not recognise HIM, to show that the body in Jericho is not like the one HE had before the crucifixion. Note, that these are the same Apostles that saw HIM transfigured. Therefore, HE was not transfigured when HE appeared to them. Another proof, is that Mary did not recognise HIM. She called HIM the gardener, which is another revelation but i won't go into that now.

As one is eating and assimilatiing Revelations which are Divine, Eucharistic (means Zoe hatching), the person is metamorphosing positively. Gilgal points to the first stage, where the person has begun to assimilate revelations. It is in gilgal where the person will gain the right mindset to be able to understand the eucharisitic messages that hatches Zoe. The second stage bethel, means house of GOD. It is in Bethel where the blood changes to wine color, which gets lighter in color due to the Zoe cells hatched in the body. Gradually, the blood cell system is being supplanted by Zoe cells. The third stage is Jericho, this is the stage where the blood cells have been overthrown, and Zoe cells has reached her Genome. (without the shedding of blood there can be no remission of sin) At this stage, the person cannot age, fall sick or die anymore... Now the person has become a new creation in Christ, old things have passed away and all things are become new. The vital organs of the mortal body have been Xd out, which means the fat has been burned thoroughly, for the immortal body has no need of them, these were recruited in the fall of Man.

The final stage is Jordan, Jordan is where the water in the persons body is drained, due to the electric nature of Zoe. Across Jordan, is transfiguration. The transfigured body is 60 ft tall, it has not the heart of the flesh, neither does it have lungs to breath, nor an anus. It is clothed with Glory Raiments. It is a physical body. This is what was meant by: Put on the whole Armor of GOD. After transfiguration, the person ascends to heaven. The sign of this given to us in the earth, was the butterfly. At its first stage, you would never think it would reach a stage where it can fly. There is the egg, the Lava, the Pupa, then the butterfly.

The Process is very gradual, but you have 100 years to make it to bethel. If you do not, you must die and go to where ghosts go to, to await resurrection. If you make bethel, you have 1000 years total to make it to Jericho. If you don't, you will die and go to where ghosts go to, to await the resurrection. If you make Jericho, you will transfigure in life as Enoch and Elijah did.

The only way to run your race, is to assimilate revelations into your Spirit Being. Zoe cells cannot multiply, so they are a must add seed. Which means you must continue to assimilate Revelations as they are coming out and endure to the end. The best the bible can do in its current state, due to mistranslations, mistransmissions, and misinterpretations, is reach Bethel. It is the bible that was robbed on its way to Jericho. That is why it was a rabbi and a priest that left it to die - pointing also to Rev 11 personified by the Law and the Prophet (meaning the two tablet stone, the bible). That is why they did not bury it. And that 3 days and a half was pointing to times, times, and half a time. That is why no matter how much you study, no matter how much you know, no one has lived forever by the bible in the last 2000 years.

As you run your race, and Zoe cells are being hatched, the % of mortality vs immortality begins to change. At the start its mortality 100, immortality 0. As you reach a quarter of the way, mortality 75 immortality 25, 50%, is 50/50, but as soon as immortaliy reaches 51, you begin to dominate your body. Your taste for the terrestrial food decreases, your need for food slows down, you can go a full week without food. When you reach the Hem of Bethel, that is when you can go 40 days maximum without food. When you are launched into Jericho, that is when you don't need food, or water, or anything anymore.

If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

I am bread of life that come down from heaven. He that eats of this bread shall not die, but life forever.

man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of GOD.

except ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man drink his blood ye have no life you.

Except means there is no other way.

thank you! i do ask serious questions;
even if i ask them in a humorous way, and even if i ask them in a way trending toward absurdity, they are actual questions.
a lot of people ignore them but i really appreciate how much time you took to share these things with me, to answer me

does life begin at conception? in the flesh?
if so doesn't the material universe testify of God -- so does it also, in the spirit, begin at a conception?

because i am thinking, 0.0000000001% immortal is still immortal.

maybe there are crowns, and rewards, but the least in the kingdom of heaven are still 'in the kingdom' -- isn't that so? he is still the neighbor and fellow-citizen of the one who is considered 'great in the kingdom' even if he's not quite got as nice of a house.

i am kind of hung up over the idea of reaching a certain degree of 'whatnot' before being granted entrance. because He invited the sick and the lame and the cripple to the feast. they don't walk so good. maybe they can hardly reach the door and it takes them much longer to get to the table, but they still have a seat, just as much as the one seated beside them, who sprinted and vaulted over walls.

All the children of the kingdom were produced in the Fathers Bosom. The Man is the Spirit Being, not his physical body. The Man is programmed in the soul, and then immersed or baptised into the physical body. The Physical body is our garment. The mortal body is the egyptian attire. The Celestial body is the garments of praise.

GOD is the one that sends a child of the kingdom, that HE programmed in the soul into their physical body during the 6th into the 7th month of Pregnancy. The reason it is at that time is because HE coupled the celestial body of man for Father Adam on the 6th day of creation. This is called an Adumbration. The fact that the body of Man was coupled on the 6th day is why it is at the 6th month into the 7th month when a child of the kingdom is sent into their physical body.

The cell system, though each one is an immortal cell, is not complete without reaching her genome. So what this means is that even 50% zoe is not going to make someone ive forever because the immortal system has not been installed, and the mortal system is still in operation.

The sick, the Lame, and the cripple is those who are mortals. The Leprous state, was pointing to mortality. What Jon suffered that happened to his body is pointing to the fall of Man. In the fall, Father Adam, and Mother Eve's body migrated from immortal to mortal; that is what the fruit caused.

Yes I see.

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This is still not true. The reason is that to be absent from the body means that you have detatched from the physical body, at that time you are in a ghostly state. From there, the next is to be carried into Abrahams Bosom. GOD is not in Abraham Bosom. And then to gain entrance into heaven, you need to have spirit, soul and body in tact.

Why does God allow suffering?

I think of Romans 9 when this question comes up. Suffering is a product of sin. God knew Adam would fall, sin and satan would fill the earth but he still created. Why? That he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy...

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

What if God can come back and know something after it happened because He had limited Himself the first time? Does the mean God can still be all knowing and give us the ammo to answer why bad things happen here?

God NEVER limits Himself. NOWHERE it say He does or He has to.
"What if's" are usually useless questions that need no answers because they are vain. All the "what if's " in the world will not make a person smarter or closer to God. If anything, they show how far we are from Him. Such people are not asking questions to learn, but are sowing confusion & strife into the Body of Christ.

Tell me why God would bother talking to Satan?

The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it." Job 1:7

Does Omniscience still count if God can access the information after it happened? Is there a rule that says He has to be knowledgeable of sin while it is happening?

I believe much of the old covenant is still scripture truth, even though the new covenant makes obeying laws pertaining to helps to keep the true law obsolete. Under the old covenant we are told there are material blessings and material curses relating to keeping the law. I do not think this is obsolete.

I am sure that even the truth that the blessings given for keeping the law does not include salvation changes the truth of physical blessings given.

It is a matter of saying if you steal you go to jail, and if you love it gives joy and peace.

Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!

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Genesis 18:21

Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great. Because their sin is so grievous, I will go down to see if their actions fully justify the outcry that has reached Me. If not, I will find out.”

God allows great suffering so we can learn from it like we're enduring with these threads.