Hypergrace Mockers

So when you tell the Lord you're sorry for sinning against Him you have no grief or sorrow over it? Not at all?

So,eternal life is nit eternal life, I can lose it?

my friend that is legalism, that is far worse than hyoergrace

Where did I say anyone downplayed sin? I have yet to hear any person, calvinist, Baptist, grace or hypergrace non demons ever downplay sin.

it is obvious you did not hear a word I said.

go ahead, slamder people with lies, how about next someone slanders you I will just let them ok?

I have heard all the arguments, I have also seen people,post these very people,say the opposite of what you accuse them of.

shame on you brother!

Where did I say this?

we are talking about the word repent here my friend

repent is A word which literally means to change direction, the term “feel sorry for” is not in the defenition,

wheni repented and came to faith, sorry was a byroduct of that repentance it was not part of it

if I KNOW lying is a sin, and I fall into temptation and lie, do I feel bad? YES, do I have remorse? YES, do I confess it before men and to God? YES,

do I repent of it? I can’t, I already repented of it when I admitted to God I agreed with him, it is sin.

Hi EG,

I never said you downplay sin. I have been careful not to make my statements personal. But against hyper grace theology as a whole. You've taken it as a personal slight when it was not against you but the Hyper grace movement as a whole.

I take any misunderstanding of any group personal. Our goal should be to try to become as unified as we can. If we are attacking any group with false information. Then we cause unneeded devision

I know three people who were here are are still here who claim to be hyper grace. they have thoroughly refuted these accusations against them

One of them has also posted HG teachers and their remarks, which refute the accusation against them

So should we allow our brothers to continue to be misinformed and argue based on an untruth, or try to correct them in love. As I have tried to do with a certain member here is on an Anti calvinist warpath?

Again, I do not agree with everything they say or may do. But from what I have witnessed, The accusations I have seen against them are based on a different interpretation of the word repent. and out of this has caused a false accusation that they do not think sin matters.

Love ya bro as always.

We should be sorry that we don't believe He died FOR our sins . Thats why there's a whole load of folks going to hell because they reject the truth so as to be saved..Everything is done for them ,its there waiting. But if they reject the only one that is extending his arm out to them ,then they will not be glorified.

No, The Messiah was born in Adam and He was innocent all His life. The Messiah had to die - just like all mankind must - specifically because He had Adam's flesh...but He had the right to resurrect back to life specifically because He was innocent. This freed us from the prison of the sin/death cycle so that now all have the CHOICE between life and death; between living in the 1st Adam or living in the 2nd Adam; between obedience & faith or sinful lifestyle. OSAS is incorrect. We now have a choice at all times to walk out of the cell or to walk back in.

Deut 30:15-20 says the Almighty sets before us life and death and then implores us to chose life.

Why did you end with an old testament verse which is way before the cross ?

Because contrary to the conventional Christian belief in many circles, the Almighty doesn't change and the Messiah is the same yesterday today, and forever. Not one jot or tittle has passed until heaven and earth have passed and all is fulfilled.

i.e. the words still apply.

Yes Gods nature, essence and his being never changes . I'm confused by what you said. You acknowledge that the death ,burial and resurrection took place . But then you went back in time to a verse way before Jesus even arrives . Should we continue animal sacrifices also ? did Jesus do anything that might have changed things ?

// We now have a choice at all times to walk out of the cell or to walk back in.// We didn't take ourselves out of the cell . There is no more cell .

They still apply as history. What happened back then .

Heres a verse AFTER the death ,burial ,resurrection and giving of the Holy Spirit. All this took place way after animal sacrifices , moses , Abraham, Issac ,Jacob, ect ..Then we get to Jesus birth, his ministry ect . This all really took place. Its an actual timeline of event s if you read from Genesis to revelation. Thats why you must read from the beginning to the end . The death, burial and resurrection being the most radical events that changed EVERYTHING . So when you read the OT and NT The big question to ask is " is this before the major events or after ?"
This is a verse in 2cor that comes AFTER .

19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The Almighty is not a man.
He doesn't exist one moment at a time as we do.
He doesn't speak one moment at a time as we do.
Nothing occurs to the Almighty as it does with us.
He doesn't need a situation to unfold first to then know what to do next or to correct the course of action.

Most simply put; He, through Moses, actually TOLD the people that they would violate His covenant before they did, and that they would need to perform animal sacrifices as a rehearsal (i.e. memorial) UNTIL the One would come to perform the real version of the task. He always indicated that animal sacrifices were temporary.

Also, there are still OT prophecies still waiting to be fulfilled. His words are not just past. If He is who was, who is, and who will be then His Word is too.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God."

There is still a cell. The door has been opened, just like with Peter...but one must walk through the door themseles. The cell doesn't disappear. The temptation to sin doesn't disappear. But we don't need to walk back into bondage.

Israel was freed from Egypt by the power of the Almighty, THEY wanted to turn back...that generation was eventually destroyed.

Lot and his family were freed from the judgment of Sodom & Gomorrah, but the wife, SHE turned back and was destroyed.

One can "return to their own vomit". Paul also said he must take care lest after all of his work winning souls he fails.

This is an endurance race to the end.

Isaiah 28:9-10
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:


Isaiah 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:


Again, we're talking about the Almighty's Word; His Voice; when He Speaks. Of course, there's the natural progression of our human history (biblical history), along with the events that occurred to Israel...but the Almighty is pretty big. His voice echos across this short distance we call time. He only needs to say things once and it will be when it will be.

This is why Paul said all the things that happened to Israel were for example to whom the end of the world has come. In fact, most of the things Paul wrote about in his letters references an OT passage in one book or another. We severely handicap ourselves if we limit our view to after the cross and that means just the NT letters (because not even the gospels would apply since most was before the cross).

Did we had a choice to be in Adam, when we were born?

You weren't that far off.

Gee, I didn't realize I fell into the no spin zone.