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Smoke

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VickyK said:
False dichotomy.

God is omnipotent, and as such he controls all aspects of our lives.
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Omnipotent means to have unlimited power/the ability to do anything. So then if God is omnipotent, He could then allow His children free will if He chose to, correct?

If your answer is "no", then I suppose he isn't all that omnipotent....
 
VickyK

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Smoke said:
Omnipotent means to have unlimited power/the ability to do anything. So then if God is omnipotent, He could then allow His children free will if He chose to, correct?

If your answer is "no", then I suppose he isn't all that omnipotent....
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Absolutely he could 'allow' us free will.

He has not endowed us with free will.
 
Smoke

Smoke

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VickyK said:
Absolutely he could 'allow' us free will.

He has not endowed us with free will.
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Then if I believe and accept Christ as my Savior, is God making me accept Him?

Is God preventing my atheist co-worker from accepting Christ as his Savior?
 
Smoke

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VickyK said:
Absolutely he could 'allow' us free will.

He has not endowed us with free will.
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If we aren't endowed with free will, then that would mean God made man murder His only begotten son Jesus Christ, correct?
 
calibob

calibob

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Ahwatukee said:
I have been amazed at the futile precautions that are in place to deter the covid virus. For example, I go out to eat a lot and when I drive up to the window, the person at the window has their gloves and masks on, thinking that they are making a difference. However, let's say that I have covid. I drive up, pay the person for my order with my possibly stained covid money, which they then put in their cash drawer with the other bills. In addition, they now have the covid virus on their gloves from handling my money, which they don't change after each customer. Then the next person drives up and the person gives them my possibly contaminated change. And so on, and so forth with each potential covid carrier. They're not deterring anything! And all this for something that for the vast majority, is nothing more than a mild flu, if that. It's like trying to keep people from catching the flu!

In addition, the government, in collusion with the hospital admins, have greatly exaggerated the cases and number of Covid deaths. what do you think the hospital admins are going to do when they're getting a 20% incentive for every covid case? We already read from the front-line doctors how people who had strokes, heart attacks, gun shot wounds, car accidents, etc., were all being counted as Covid deaths.

I'm looking forward to finding out all of the lying and deception that has gone on behind all of this when God reveals it at the judgment of the unrighteous dead.
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Malarkey! I know of 5 people that have died of covid. 3 were residents wher I lived from May to October. Covid Kills.

I do agree handling money is a much bigger risk than is made public. YET...
This could be used as a tool of the enemy to replace currency with the mark of the Beast, soon. There's no doubt about if the antichrist and second beast are comming and won't be stopped by by Christians until we return with the Lord.

Deluded people may think they can but the almighty has already decided when where and how. Mankind cannot change Gods timing. I don't even believe that God is in bondage to time a all. He can travel through time easier than we can go through a Mall.
 
calibob

calibob

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Smoke said:
Then if I believe and accept Christ as my Savior, is God making me accept Him?

Is God preventing my atheist co-worker from accepting Christ as his Savior?
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No to both questions. He knew from the beginning which decisions we all would make though.
 
calibob

calibob

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Smoke said:
Omnipotent means to have unlimited power/the ability to do anything. So then if God is omnipotent, He could then allow His children free will if He chose to, correct?

If your answer is "no", then I suppose he isn't all that omnipotent....
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Theres a big difference between can't and won't. Would love be love if we didn't have a choice?, is a better question.
 
Ahwatukee

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calibob said:
Malarkey! I know of 5 people that have died of covid. 3 were residents wher I lived from May to October. Covid Kills.
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I never said that people didn't die. I said that the covid cases and deaths have been greatly exaggerated.

For certain, it is a real virus. However, it is not the Bubonic plague.
 
VickyK

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Ahwatukee said:
I never said that people didn't die. I said that the covid cases and deaths have been greatly exaggerated.

For certain, it is a real virus. However, it is not the Bubonic plague.
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Even in 1349 businesses were still operating.
 
calibob

calibob

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Ahwatukee said:
I never said that people didn't die. I said that the covid cases and deaths have been greatly exaggerated.

For certain, it is a real virus. However, it is not the Bubonic plague.
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True. I know 2 people that got over it. and a few more that are improving. 1 who is positive but is 'A' symptomatic and doing very well. Nearly everyone I personally know in Cali, is over 65 yoa.
 
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Smoke said:
Omnipotent means to have unlimited power/the ability to do anything. So then if God is omnipotent, He could then allow His children free will if He chose to, correct?

If your answer is "no", then I suppose he isn't all that omnipotent....
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Great point!
 
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kaylagrl

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Smoke said:
If we aren't endowed with free will, then that would mean God made man murder His only begotten son Jesus Christ, correct?
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Right, painted herself into a corner. Hasn't a sweet clue what she's talking about. Won't stop her from talking though. smh
 
Smoke

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VickyK said:
No.
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I apologize for not understanding. Can you help me to understand?

You said we don't have free will (ordained with free will). So the events that brought about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ couldn't have been the result of man's doing, as they don't have free will. That means God is the one that forced them to murder Jesus if it wasn't the free will of man. I'm missing something if you disagree with this. How do you reconcile this?
 
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calibob said:
Theres a big difference between can't and won't. Would love be love if we didn't have a choice?, is a better question.
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That is a great point. And I'd argue love isn't love if it's manipulated/forced.
 
VickyK

VickyK

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Smoke said:
I apologize for not understanding. Can you help me to understand?

You said we don't have free will (ordained with free will). So the events that brought about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ couldn't have been the result of man's doing, as they don't have free will. That means God is the one that forced them to murder Jesus if it wasn't the free will of man. I'm missing something if you disagree with this. How do you reconcile this?
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What I have I highlighted in the quote above is a false equivalence.
 
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VIC,
did hub and I actually read that you believe that our Holy Creator did NOT allow us 'free-will'???
better get into your 'closet' right away, and don't forget to toss out your shoes...
 
Smoke

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VickyK said:
What I have I highlighted in the quote above is a false equivalence.
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Right, I'm asking you to help me understand how it is. Maybe you're right and it's a false equivalence, I'm just not seeing it though. I'm open to the possibility I'm mistaken.
 
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