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Hiya, my names Liam nice to type you (=

I was introduced to Christianity by a friend and used to be Atheist and now not really sure. I imagine Jesus on the cross a lot and did have a very vivid image of him on the cross, I love him I think however its the bible that I have trouble with. I truly hate to sound so spiteful here but I really hate how God demands worship and think that part of the bible is wrong, I imagine Jesus dying and begging his father to forgive the people, he loves us so much he wasn't in pain from the cross but felt great sadness for those who put him up to die. I can't accept that God would really send nice people to hell and its a catch 22, I love my brother and niece but they will never be open to God so in life as a Christian I be constantly depressed and in death if I make it to heaven it would be hell without them. I can only imagine that throughout all the years of the bibles existence it has been used/changed to control people. Christians tell me God is good, just and merciful however demanding worship isn't either of those things. Say a ruler demanded worship people would rebel however a kind and just ruler would be loved. Nothing could sway me! I can't accept God would send anyone to hell just can't. I love Jesus but hate the "you must confess to God" part, I want to love him out of love not fear.

I can't accept that say a good Muslim doctor jumped in front of a bullet and died saving a Christian would still be sent to hell, that doesn't seem just to me.

Thanks for reading any help would be appreciated.
 

oyster67

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Hi new member and struggling to understand God

He loves you. Just keep seeking Him.

Matthew
7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
 

oyster67

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The answer is not to be found in understanding God, for He is infinite. Just know that He loves you and I very much.

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
 
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Hiya, my names Liam nice to type you (=

I was introduced to Christianity by a friend and used to be Atheist and now not really sure. I imagine Jesus on the cross a lot and did have a very vivid image of him on the cross, I love him I think however its the bible that I have trouble with. I truly hate to sound so spiteful here but I really hate how God demands worship and think that part of the bible is wrong, I imagine Jesus dying and begging his father to forgive the people, he loves us so much he wasn't in pain from the cross but felt great sadness for those who put him up to die. I can't accept that God would really send nice people to hell and its a catch 22, I love my brother and niece but they will never be open to God so in life as a Christian I be constantly depressed and in death if I make it to heaven it would be hell without them. I can only imagine that throughout all the years of the bibles existence it has been used/changed to control people. Christians tell me God is good, just and merciful however demanding worship isn't either of those things. Say a ruler demanded worship people would rebel however a kind and just ruler would be loved. Nothing could sway me! I can't accept God would send anyone to hell just can't. I love Jesus but hate the "you must confess to God" part, I want to love him out of love not fear.

I can't accept that say a good Muslim doctor jumped in front of a bullet and died saving a Christian would still be sent to hell, that doesn't seem just to me.

Thanks for reading any help would be appreciated.
Welcome.

The Bible defines worship as this:

Romans 12:1-2
1Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. 2Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.

This is basically saying that we owe it to God to live in a holy and pleasing way and to no longer do worldly things. This is what the Bible says is worship. In other words, not sinning and doing good things is worship. We live like this because we love God and we love God because he first loved us.
 

oyster67

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I truly hate to sound so spiteful
It is ok to be honest about the way you feel. Jesus understands...

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Sometimes we "cannot see the forest for the trees". This simply means that our minds and eyes are not big enough to see the big picture. Not yet. That is why the Just must live and walk by faith. I watched my mother die, and then I watched my Father die. It was horrible when it happened, but I know that God loves us and He knows what He is doing. He created us with an eternal soul and made a beautiful home for us to go to when the time is right, But what to do with those who do not want to go? What to do with those who reject His beautiful dear Son who hung upon the cross for them?

2 Peter
3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Please come and walk with me.

Luke
24:13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] threescore furlongs.
24:14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
24:16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
24:17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications [are] these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
24:20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

I want to love him out of love not fear.

I can't accept that say a good Muslim doctor jumped in front of a bullet and died saving a Christian would still be sent to hell, that doesn't seem just to me.
We must stop looking around us and just look up. When we finally come to this, all we will see and feel is His love. God bless you, my much beloved friend.
 

oyster67

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It is we who profit... when we say,

"I am going to live for Jesus every day".

-Doris Akers
 

Magenta

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I truly hate to sound so spiteful here but I really hate how God demands worship and think that part of the bible is wrong,
God does not demand worship, since you have a choice, as does everyone, and making a decision to honor God for all He has done in giving you life and a chance at a more abundant life is a good place to start. Of course, people who deny God's existence cannot do this, and will say such things as, religion is used to control people, and the cause of much (if not all) of human misery, when the fact of the matter is, the true bane of our existence is human nature itself, which we all suffer from, and no one is worthy of that which God freely offers by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of His only begotten Son for the remission of our sins, that we might be reconciled to Him and attain to life ever after, escaping the second death reserved for those who refuse to acknowledge Him. In the life to come, this life will be forgotten.
 

Magenta

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I can't accept that God would really send nice people to hell
The natural end to life is death. Do you know, I have met atheists who say they would rather go to hell (as if it will be one big party where all the "cool" people will be) than acknowledge God's existence and align themselves with Him? Yet we are all born natural enemies to God, and rebellious toward Him. If you feel an affinity with Jesus and love for Him, then God is drawing you to Himself. Best to try to come to a better understanding of Who He is than blame Him for the choices people make. They have no excuse, though they will make many in attempts to justify their pride of life.
 

Magenta

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I hope these help in attaining understanding :)

Don't struggle to understand. Simply surrender.
 

EternalFire

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Hiya, my names Liam nice to type you (=

I was introduced to Christianity by a friend and used to be Atheist and now not really sure. I imagine Jesus on the cross a lot and did have a very vivid image of him on the cross, I love him I think however its the bible that I have trouble with. I truly hate to sound so spiteful here but I really hate how God demands worship and think that part of the bible is wrong, I imagine Jesus dying and begging his father to forgive the people, he loves us so much he wasn't in pain from the cross but felt great sadness for those who put him up to die. I can't accept that God would really send nice people to hell and its a catch 22, I love my brother and niece but they will never be open to God so in life as a Christian I be constantly depressed and in death if I make it to heaven it would be hell without them. I can only imagine that throughout all the years of the bibles existence it has been used/changed to control people. Christians tell me God is good, just and merciful however demanding worship isn't either of those things. Say a ruler demanded worship people would rebel however a kind and just ruler would be loved. Nothing could sway me! I can't accept God would send anyone to hell just can't. I love Jesus but hate the "you must confess to God" part, I want to love him out of love not fear.

I can't accept that say a good Muslim doctor jumped in front of a bullet and died saving a Christian would still be sent to hell, that doesn't seem just to me.

Thanks for reading any help would be appreciated.
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom" (Proverbs 9:10).
 

Subhumanoidal

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Truth is not subjective. We don't get to pick and choose what is and is not truth based off of our opinion.
And thus making assumptions about how the bible has or has not changed and believing that the only part that has been changed is the part you dislike is patently dishonest. Both to others with whom you share the baseless assumption, as well as to yourself.

Even if we can say the bible has been altered how can you state with even the slightest semblance of honesty that you know, Factually (not based off of your opinions) which parts have or have not changed?
It seems to me if you have an issue with something you're better off doing a study and investigation on those things rather than fabricating stories, telling yourself they're truth, just so you can cling to all the beliefs that suit your view of things.
 

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Hi Liam and welcome to the forum.
Give God a chance and you will be giv9ng yourself a chance. Jesus said "if you know me you know the Father."
You love Jesus and if you get to know the Father you can't help but to love Him. God is love and love begets love.
Nobody can judge your brother and niece only God knows their hearts.
 
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Hiya, my names Liam nice to type you (=

I was introduced to Christianity by a friend and used to be Atheist and now not really sure. I imagine Jesus on the cross a lot and did have a very vivid image of him on the cross, I love him I think however its the bible that I have trouble with. I truly hate to sound so spiteful here but I really hate how God demands worship and think that part of the bible is wrong, I imagine Jesus dying and begging his father to forgive the people, he loves us so much he wasn't in pain from the cross but felt great sadness for those who put him up to die. I can't accept that God would really send nice people to hell and its a catch 22, I love my brother and niece but they will never be open to God so in life as a Christian I be constantly depressed and in death if I make it to heaven it would be hell without them. I can only imagine that throughout all the years of the bibles existence it has been used/changed to control people. Christians tell me God is good, just and merciful however demanding worship isn't either of those things. Say a ruler demanded worship people would rebel however a kind and just ruler would be loved. Nothing could sway me! I can't accept God would send anyone to hell just can't. I love Jesus but hate the "you must confess to God" part, I want to love him out of love not fear.

I can't accept that say a good Muslim doctor jumped in front of a bullet and died saving a Christian would still be sent to hell, that doesn't seem just to me.

Thanks for reading any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hiya, my names Liam nice to type you (=

I was introduced to Christianity by a friend and used to be Atheist and now not really sure. I imagine Jesus on the cross a lot and did have a very vivid image of him on the cross, I love him I think however its the bible that I have trouble with. I truly hate to sound so spiteful here but I really hate how God demands worship and think that part of the bible is wrong, I imagine Jesus dying and begging his father to forgive the people, he loves us so much he wasn't in pain from the cross but felt great sadness for those who put him up to die. I can't accept that God would really send nice people to hell and its a catch 22, I love my brother and niece but they will never be open to God so in life as a Christian I be constantly depressed and in death if I make it to heaven it would be hell without them. I can only imagine that throughout all the years of the bibles existence it has been used/changed to control people. Christians tell me God is good, just and merciful however demanding worship isn't either of those things. Say a ruler demanded worship people would rebel however a kind and just ruler would be loved. Nothing could sway me! I can't accept God would send anyone to hell just can't. I love Jesus but hate the "you must confess to God" part, I want to love him out of love not fear.

I can't accept that say a good Muslim doctor jumped in front of a bullet and died saving a Christian would still be sent to hell, that doesn't seem just to me.

Thanks for reading any help would be appreciated.
Hi. Have you read the story of Adam and Eve, and how God created them from dust .Based on that ,can you say if a man can do anything without God ,who made him capable of it. I am talking for the good part only The bad part of the humans we know where this is coming from. So, if that good muslim doctor is good because His Creator made him that way, don't you think that the doctor at least should acknowledge and be thankful to God for that?
 
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Hi Liam,



My name is Brittney Crickard. I grew up in a Christian home; however, I have made my share of mistakes and continue to make mistakes every day. I sometimes get angry with God and sometimes I don’t understand everything He is doing in the moment, but I always come back to the roots or ground work for what I know is true and that is “God is GOOD all the time”.



Every person, including myself, has faced some of the very questions and struggles that you have listed above. I struggle with self worth sometimes, loneliness, exhaustion, unsaved family members etc. However, Being a Christian isn’t about knowing all the answers or having a pain/fear free life; but believing in what we do know of Christ and Gods word, then doing the best we can to share Gods word with others in our living (Matthew 28).



In response to your concern and heartbreak over your family members refusing Christ, I struggle with those same feelings regarding my brother and his girlfriend/their family. She is an Atheist and he is either unequally yoked or isn’t a believer himself. I pray for their salvation often and even though in my human nature I have my doubts, I also know that all things are possible through Christ who gives the strength (Phil 4:13). So my question for you would be, how do you know what they would choose if they were presented the gospel in a way that they could understand it? What would happen if you shared what your Christian friend shared with you? After all, only God knows the heart of a man and only God has the power to save.



Many people have to be presented with the good news of salvation numerous times before it clicks for them and they accept the truth of the gospel. The reality is we have to trust God with our fears, we have to trust God to save our families. Proverbs 3:23 says “Trust in The Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge him and He shall direct your path.” We can help our loved ones in lots of ways: by praying for them, knowing the word so we are ready with an answer when called upon, living out Christs forgiveness, grace and love, being proactive in our conversations to bring Christ into the conversations; but ultimately God must do the saving and we must do the trusting. Perhaps you could try sharing the Romans road with them even if you haven’t already. Get to know what God means to you and then share what He has done for you with them.



For me, without God in my life, I wouldn’t be alive. He has brought me through so much physical pain with the carrying and delivering of my children to so much more. When I felt like giving up because I literally had nothing more to give, He was there for me and He sustained me. He saved my daughter and has gotten me through so many sleepless nights. He has provided prayer when I needed it most, money when I needed it for college and opportunities I couldn’t have had without him. He has answered prayers as specifically as I prayed. He has changed my life and is still changing my life every day. At our church we were given a homework assignment to share Gods word with people these last couple weeks. I want to share Jesus with as many as possible because the reality is, if I keep the truth to myself, I am sending people to a fiery hell when I could have lead them to the bridge to a perfect Heaven through Christ and a better life here on earth.



With that said ... here is one way you could share the gospel with your friends and family. The Romans Road:



The problem: sin. Sin separates us from the perfect God who created us. We disobeyed God and that separates us from living in the perfect existence He designed for us to live in Perfect harmony with Him and every living thing. Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” Romans 5:12 “Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—“



The solution: Christ. Romans 5:8-9 For God demonstrated his own love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him."



Action Required. So our words and actions brought sin and death by disobedience. Christ was the solution and now all we have to do is accept it and share it. Romans 10:9 “if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead than you will be saved.”



I encourage you to memorize these few verses from Romans. Spend time in Gods word because there is so much more to him than just an angry God demanding to be worshiped. It’s also ok to not understand everything he says and does. That is why we pray and ask God for wisdom, because God is omniscient, He is all knowing. God is also all omnipotent or all powerful and if we believe what God says in His word than our hard to reach family members can be saved thru His power! He saved Saul who murdered Gods people before God changed His heart and He is still changing hearts today. God demands worship because God created us from the beginning for His enjoyment and He is perfect and 100 percent worth the praise.



Moreover, He isn’t like a flawed King or President. If they demanded worship, they wouldn’t deserve it, because all sinned. He never makes a wrong choice, for it is literally outside of His character to do so. I believe what God says about himself in His word so I know he is worthy of Praise. I also believe then that He loves me and He loves you with all that He is, because He gave up everything to restore us to Himself again.



John 3:16-17 says “For God so loved the world that He gave His ONLY son, that whomever believed in Him, should NOT perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His son into the world to condemn the world, BUT that the world through him might be saved. “ God is the only one who knows what choice our family and friends will make, so we need to do what we can to make sure they know the truth so that we are without excuse and leave the rest up to Him 🙂.



Finally the first part of 1st Timothy 2 has a lot to say about how we should pray and how God feels about us also.



“First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be offered for everyone— for kings and all those in authority—so that we may lead tranquil and quiet lives in all godliness and dignity. This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who wants everyone to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” I urge you Liam, don’t give up searching out the truth. God is perfect and is deserving of worship, but He also loves us so much and He will surprise you if you let him be your God, your savior and your friend.



I hope this helps you, encourages you and challenges you. Thank you for allowing me to get to know your heart a little better. I will pray for your family members along with mine.



I will pray for you now! Dear Lord, please bless Liam. Please show Him your grace is sufficient even in our weakness, even in our fears. Show Him your power to save and your immense love of his heart and his families hearts too. I pray salvation for both He and His household. I know you go before us and that you are working in Liams life and I want to thank you for everything you are doing. Please continue to do your good and perfect work in our hearts. Also, give us a boldness to share your word with others, no matter how many times it takes for you to touch their hearts. Thank you for Jesus. In His name we pray, AMEN.



If you have more questions or just want to talk, don’t hesitate to write. My email is this: bmiesse@cedarville.edu.
 

TabinRivCA

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Welcome Liam and glad to have read your intro:) First thing is rest assured God's ways are perfect. He had to send His perfect Son here to take on the sins of the world. No one I know feels it a burden to be thankful and praise God for His unconditional love for us.
As for your relatives, pray for their salvation and believe that God will honor your prayers. 'Nothing is too hard for God'. I converted my dad after many years, I was patient and determined.
May God's Goodness touch your soul, God bless you:)!