Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

I agree that women can teach, pray and worship and do all things, except Pastor a church either alone or as a co-pastor with her husband.

With all due respect, That idea is NOT Biblical but instead it is a denominational teaching to get around the directions given by Paul.

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11–12)

Verse 11 says, “Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.”
The Greek adversative “de” (“but” in English) links verse 12 back to 11. Paul wants women to learn in the entire submissiveness.

Some even say that the Greek words “gyne” (woman) and “andros” (man) mean wife and husband. This would render the verse as, “But I do not allow a wife to teach or exercise authority over a husband, but to remain quiet.” (1 Tim. 2:12). Supporters of this argument then conclude that this would not prevent a woman from being a pastor since this is not speaking of women in general but only wives in relation to their husbands. Is this argument sound? No, it isn’t.

WHY????

If a wife were a pastor and her husband were in the congregation, then when she taught, she’d be teaching her husband. This can’t work–unless the husband has to leave the church each time his wife teaches. Ridiculous? You bet!

In all of the 17 English translations of the Bible I have (Darby, ASV, ESV, HCSB, ISV, KJV, NASB95, NASB, NCV, NIV, NKJV, NLT, NRSV, WUESTNT, RSV, GNB, WorrelNT, YLT), none translate the verse as wife and husband, so why do people assert that it is about a husband and wife?

These offices/positions were always male among God's people: ["God", as Jesus], "Husband" (as Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, etc), "Father", "Son", "Priest/High Priest" (Aaron, etc), "King" (David, Solomon, etc), "Apostle" (Peter, James, John, Paul, etc), "Bishop/Elder" (John, etc), "Deacon" (Stephen, etc).

These offices/positions could be either male or female: "Teachers", "Prophets" (Daniel or Deborah, Amos or Anna, Isaiah or his wife, Malachi or Miriam, Hosea or Huldah, David or daughters of Philip, etc), and these gifts could go to either as well: "workers of miracles", "gifts of healing", "tongues/languages", "interpretation of tongues/languages".

These office/positions could only be female: "Queen" (Esther, etc), "wife" (Eve, Sarah, etc), "mother", "daughter".

Truth only has "one perspective", while error has plethora.

it's a question, and not a point, duh!

That's pretty much it. Why would the KJV translate it as 'man' where it's actually 'if any' or 'whosoever' ! Literal translations translates that passage as 'anyone'

I have. Thoroughly.

Let's go in chiastic reverse:

Phoebe.


Consider the word itself in its other uses:

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διάκονος
diakonos
Total KJV Occurrences: 30


So the word simply means one who serves or ministers to another. It can specify an office, such as "Deacon", but only when it refers to the males among the Church. See Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy 3:8,12.


See the two offices/positions?


These are identified as special positions, among "all the saints which are at Philippi". For not everyone carries the office of "Bishop/Elder" or "Deacon" therein.


In vs twelve, we see the distinction between a "deacon" which is "the husband" (male), which "rule(s)" "their children" and "their houses" (home church) well, and the "wife" (female) who is not a "deacon" in such office as the Husband is. She may indeed be a server, one who ministers to others, in the church, but is not classed as a "Deacon" (office/position). The "deacons" are of the some qualifications as "Elders" in 1 Timothy 3:1-7.

The head of household, is the husband, which is why the translators translate the words as "man" (vs 5) and "his" (vs 4,5) and "he" (vs 7), rather than 'one' (meaning any person). The context is the "husband" (vs 2; G435, "ανδρα"), which is only a male according to scripture.

Basically correct. Women can teach just fine, even from 'the pulpit', 'street corner', etc. The matter of church office/position is differing entirely from such. They cannot be in the office/position of "Priest/High Priest", "Apostle", "Elder/Bishop/Presbyter", "Deacon". Paul was dealing with matters 'authority' and incorrect use thereof. Teaching is basically instructing. It is not commanding. The same position that a woman as a wife has in the home church, is the same she can hold in the larger church (congregation) gathering. Can she teach her children in the home? Yes, so then she can teach in the church. Doe the woman/wife take the postion of the head of the home, the husband? No, thus she cannot take such a place in the larger context. To do so, is the same theological position Lucifer had in regards the Son of God in Heaven. He sought to usurp authority and poition that did not belong to him. That is stepping beyond the bounds/position granted him. Could Lucifer teach, and disseminate information from Christ in Heaven? Yes. When he was cast out, he took his theology and gave it to Eve, and she bought into that same lie. She thought she could rise above her sphere/office/position, and because of such fell far below her original position (she became a sinner subject to a sinner - satan). So will all women who seek to do the same in knowledge (not speaking of the ignorant, for God winks there, and calls all to repent).

am I typing in a foreign language that no one understands ?
"Has anyone" is the question.
Is it some sort of trick question ?

One more comment I'll add, regarding the thread title: strictly speaking, "women pastors" are not biblical; there aren't any women identified as pastors in the New Testament. However, the New Testament does not have any record of a male who was identified as a pastor either.

again that is your opinion you do not know what the office of pastor does nor do you understand the word of a pastor one can do.

The pastors wife helps the Pastor in the office of HIS calling. God calls both the Husband and wife. They b both must be willing to submit to the call. YOU see a Pastor job only at the Pulpit that is your issue. The Pastors wife doesn't work in that way because they are not called to that. BUT the ice of the Pastor is doing things that are for the pastor to do each day. Why? Because the Pastor can't it all. many Pastors prefer their wife over other women,en working on their staff. You are taking a hard line and assume that the husband and wife who are Pastoring a Church is unbiblical is just wrong.

There were female deacons in the first churches.

And women are included when he calls us Kings and Priests that shall reign on the earth.

So.. there is that.

Isn't gonna happen. Do yourself a favor and move to the next subject. This has been done to death. Seriously, let it go already. We must have a hundred threads on this subject.

Has anyone read 1 Timothy 2, verse 9 - 12 ?

It's easy to understand logic, when it's so concisely exposed like you just did, people are just not listening to common sense. Not only husbands are to instruct their wives what to do. ANY MAN in church has authority to tell ANY woman what to do and she needs to be quiet, whether she's married to him or not. So completely unknown guys also have rights to insert themselves into people's marriage and tell the wife whatever they see fit. Divorced and widowed adult and elderly women are to go back to their fathers to be under their supervision, but if their father is dead, then it is proper that ALL men in the congregation, young or old, should boss them around, they are women and cannot make mature or spiritual decisions after all.

In the early church, women servants cared for sick believers, the poor, strangers, and those in prison. They instructed women and children. Phoebe may not have had the official designation of “deacon” but Paul thought enough of her to entrust her with the tremendous responsibility of delivering the epistle to the Romans to the church in Rome

hmm wouldn't that interpretation mean that if a woman is a pastor, she either needs to be unmarried or her husband must attend a different church? weird.

The first person Jesus entrusted with carrying the good news of His resurrections was a woman

Correct! Excellent point! And the mother of Jesus was a woman....(LOL)!

However.....she was not an ordained Pastor. She was a believer, a servant as I would hope that we all are.

Must the "Male" be a married male?

One need not have an "official" position with the body of Christ to carry the good news.