Spiritual gifts which did NOT cease

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SophieT

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Some denominations run from it like it is straight from the firepits of Hell. They openly and brazenly mock it. It is amazing how much of this God is tolerating in these Last Days...

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Right. Well we have seen that right here in this forum. No regard for other people at all and then turn around and say we are bragging or some other nonsense.

The rope with which some hang themselves is going to have to go over a really tall tree. Maybe a sequoia? :unsure:
 

Magenta

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Some denominations run from it like it is straight from the firepits of Hell. They openly and brazenly mock it. It is amazing how much of this God is tolerating in these Last Days...

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


2 Peter 3:9 :)
 

throughfaith

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I see the gifts mentioned in Mark 16 .
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These show that they are specific. They are ' signs accompanying those at that time.
Phil 2
25¶Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
26For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
27For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

Why hasn't Epaphroditus been healed ?
 

Dino246

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Phil 2
25¶Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
26For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
27For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

Why hasn't Epaphroditus been healed ?
He was. His sickness almost resulted in his death, but didn't. ;)
 

throughfaith

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He was. His sickness almost resulted in his death, but didn't. ;)
Yes and just like today God still heals . But it doesn't sound like Paul or those close to him had the ability to lay hands on him and he immediately recover .
 
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Yes and just like today God still heals . But it doesn't sound like Paul or those close to him had the ability to lay hands on him and he immediately recover .
Yep, not once did Paul ever used the favorite phrase from Word of Faith churches to Timothy nor Epaphroditus, that "Believe that by his stripes you are healed!"
 

shittim

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Said the carnal believer-

"IF", a believer at all..... and not the troll he projects himself to be.
 

notuptome

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Said the carnal believer-

"IF", a believer at all..... and not the troll he projects himself to be.
The same judgment would then be applied to you according to the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Dino246

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Yes and just like today God still heals . But it doesn't sound like Paul or those close to him had the ability to lay hands on him and he immediately recover .
I wouldn't draw conclusions from the text that simply are not mentioned in the text.
 

throughfaith

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But its curious why the gift of healing is not used h
I wouldn't draw conclusions from the text that simply are not mentioned in the text.
We can conclude they were not healed by those that could heal prior to this .
 

Nehemiah6

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Why hasn't Epaphroditus been healed ?
The inability of Paul to heal Epaphroditus is very strong evidence that the gift of healing was to be gradually replaced with the prayer of faith. And that is what we find in the book of James.

What this means is the while God heals as He wills in answer to prayer (since not all are healed) the miraculous gift was limited to the apostles and their companions. People have investigated faith healers and discovered that there was a lot of deception involved. It should also be noted that many faith healers hold to many false doctrines.
 

Dino246

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The inability of Paul to heal Epaphroditus is very strong evidence that the gift of healing was to be gradually replaced with the prayer of faith. And that is what we find in the book of James.

What this means is the while God heals as He wills in answer to prayer (since not all are healed) the miraculous gift was limited to the apostles and their companions. People have investigated faith healers and discovered that there was a lot of deception involved. It should also be noted that many faith healers hold to many false doctrines.
Question: Where in Scripture does it state that Paul was unable to heal Epaphroditus?

Answer: NOWHERE.

Your conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, not the evidence of absence.
 

shittim

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John G. Lake was about 70% success in his ministry, and he could teach others how to work in the gifts. No one I know of has ever equaled Jesus success, and He modeled how we are all to live and minister.
 
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Question: Where in Scripture does it state that Paul was unable to heal Epaphroditus?

Answer: NOWHERE.

Your conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, not the evidence of absence.
What about Paul's advice to Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach conditions?

You are making the same argument too?
 

Dino246

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What about Paul's advice to Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach conditions?

You are making the same argument too?
I'm refuting a fallacious argument, not making one.