single sex schools

It just seems to be reported a lot more in single sex schools. I had. a workmate who was gay, and he did go to an all boys high school. Probably didnt 'come out' while he was there but possibly where it began.

whats more concerning is teachers and staff who are not treating their pupils appropriately, I do recall one male maths teacher in school who the girls avoided as he made them feel very uncomfortable.

In most primary schools the majority of teachers are female. Its like only 5 percent male. we only have 2 on a staff of 15 teachers at my school. I recall only having one male teacher in my five years of primary schooling, although I did have a male principal.

one co ed intermediate school local to me, had a male principal who was fired because he was looking at porn. ugh. Have to be real careful these days. The next principal there they got female in. Theres a lot more female principals of schools these days, years ago they were always male.

for those who went to single sex schools what was the education like and did you get taught more or different subjects from the co ed schools?

For all I know the single sex schools could be teaching boys how to shoot guns and girls how to put on makeup.

I started reading this memoir/interview book about kiwi school days 1929-2015. Just about ordinary nzers and their schooling.

Im interested as I work in schools.

Because my experiences had always been co-ed I just wonder what single sex schools are like, and whether it makes much of a difference.

I also grew up with both brothers and a sister. I never shared a bedroom with my brothers but otherwise we all did things together.


anyway the book had from primary to secondary, Many interviewed did not go on to tertiary education as back then plenty of work was available and most left school to work on jobs, and most people got married.

Many high schools were segregated, apparently some that were co-ed seperated the sexes within the school and girls did cooking and sewing while boys did metalwork and woodwork. You were not allowed to swap.

fast fwd to my day, both girls and boys do both. I just wondered if its still like that in single sex schools.

huh

I just found out a popular tween author of 'The baby sitters club' ann m martin is lesbian. who knew?
But then I always thought that there was something a bit queer about her books. almost every parent of the club members was divorced, or widowed, and the baby sitters were all exclusively girls...who had dramas with each other...

The girls were meant to be 12 years old and they were paid to be baby sitting?? Its actually illegal in my country to leave children under 14 alone.

anyway. An article said she went to Smith college, which was like a single sex university for women, and most who graduated from there were raging feminists. huh.

anyone with insight want to comment

I thought about this as saw jobs advertised for a private single sex girls school and wondered if that actually was a good environment to be in.

I feel that homosexuality can be a problem in those schools. In convents too. You'd think it wouldnt, but its all under the radar and not talked much about.

I spoke with some boys who used to attend my school and had gone on to the local catholic boys school, which they didnt like very much, said it was boring. And the girls didnt like the catholic girls school either saying it was too strict.

I think they were used to seeing their brothers and sisters but to be separated from them made learning harder, or maybe just more boring I dont know. I had no problems going to a co-ed high school or university, and flatted in mixed hostels (had my own room though or other female roomates. )

The two catholic single sex schools were just up the road from each other but seperate campuses. There was also a co-ed college further down the road. Maybe its a catholic thing? In my area. The christian high schools are not single sex either.

I dont know of any single sex universities of which there are 7 in nz. Althoug other tertiary institutions have applied for university status. I dont think they are allowed to discriminate, if you have brains and can pay off a student loan - they will accept you.

hmm I read this https://robinsonduo.co.nz/the-problem-with-single-sex-schooling/

and I pretty much agree with it

I have noticed those who were educated at single sex high schools seem to have problems relating to the opposite sex. There is also a disturbing trend for churches to be segregated by sex. eg womens conference, womens groups, etc. I think its a throwback to a time where women couldnt say anything in the presence of a man.

The friend I know couldnt even be in a bible study if she was alone with a man, she made a HUGE deal about it as if he was going to come on to her or something when he was married and she was just waiting in a public place. I thought where does this even come from? she was separated as well and never wanted to talk about her ex, and couldnt see her sons half the time, and seemed to put herself down simply because she was female. I never really got why she had such a low opinion of herself.

I have no problems being the only female in a room full of men, little awkward yes but have as much right to be there as anyone else with a brain!

as for christchurch girls high, it seems they just arent teaching how to be safe with the opposite sex.

Looks like standard leftist propaganda...

dont think so, its just someones opinion.

you seem to have a problem with peoples opinions that are different from yours and labelling them left or whatever

is 'left' code for 'wrong' ? cos 'right' isnt always 'right' ...

wish people would give actual insight or experience instead of their silly labels

another thing I noticed on CC is that people seem to think anything published online is propaganda lol

well no, sometimes its really just people thinking for themselves.

Maybe if its on tmZ or some sponsored media outlet or advertising then you can call it propoganda.But if its just someones blog you can always write to them and say hey, lets explore this thought a bit more and why do you think that way?

You know, use common sense. Nobody can pay me to write rubbish or influence anyone.

If you went to a private girls school, please tell me what it was like and what educational opportunites were offered.

I just want something to compare it to. I think private schools obviously have more resources, so it isnt that, but wondered what the rational behind segregation by gender is. For boys they claim it isnt distracting but for girls? Its not as if boys are all hunting down girls at co-ed schools.

I would think exclusive girls schools would be a bit more vulnerable especially with teaching staff to abuse.

Well, I did actually read the article, and viciously dismantle every foolish argument in it- but I figured I'd spare people the wall of text.

Right off the bat, the author comes off as disingenuous- the article she links doesn't say that the girls were raped AT THE SCHOOL, it says 20 girls at the school claimed to have been raped on a survey. And it really only goes downhill from there.... concept errors, logical fallacies, and virtue signaling I'm surprised I haven't seen this lady on CNN.

but you do thave any insight of your own experience so your post adds nothing to the discussion sorry ...next.

Whitney Houston went to a catholic girls high school...she met her 'BFF' Robyn Crawford there...apparently.

Alanis Morisette also sang about going to a catholic girls high school...she was raped (by a man) when she was 15 years old. One of her songs on Jagged Little Pill 'Forgiven' is about the catholic girl experience.

I just wondered what really goes on in Catholic girls high schools since there seem to be so much lesbianism/bullying coming from those places. My local catholic girls high seems to have this reputation for bullying (and girls falling 'in love' with each other) from the girls ive spoken to who have been there...

There are other private single sex schools run by other denominations so might not be just a catholic thing.

One famous Boys schools in my city recently had a big drama over male teachers abusing their male students going back several decades. They all kept it secret.

I cant say whether self imposed purdah is a good or bad thing but seems when it comes to adolescence single sex education turns a blind eye to healthy interactions between opposite sexes. Just keep them apart! They will figure it out! hmmm

It's not like she is just some random chick with a blog, sitting there blogging random thoughts of hers. She's a businessperson with reasonable success, who aside from her political leanings seems beautiful and capable of intelligent thought; I'm sure she has a substantial audience and influence. It's just that way she thinks for herself is such a perfect echo of American liberal propaganda, it's virtually indistinguishable; and that's why I said it "looks like" standard leftist propaganda.

-Calls for national outrage over a survey, it seems before any actual investigations take place.
-Has a father, and even married a man who went to a single-sex school... but dismisses that because "the world has changed"... and while yes, some things change; human nature does not, and God does not.
-Uses the United States as a good example, when our education system is widely regarded as a failure: there remains a widespread call for education reform among Christians and non-Christians.
-Cites a scholar who defiles our land in NY with ideas of "global citizenship".
-Apparently values "ethnic and gender diversity" over actual educational opportunities. (viewing school as a social opportunity rather than accomplishing it's actual purpose).
-Asserts that her children "must see both male and female peers in leadership roles". Leadership appointed to fill a "check in the box" or satisfy "diversity requirements" are a disaster and a disgrace to everyone. I was never "in awe" of a single female student in school; yet in my professional life I have served under the authority of several women, some good, some bad, some terrible, and one exceptionally good- without prejudice.
-Appeals to supposed popularity. "Everyone else is doing it" on it's own is not a valid reason to do something; even if it were true that there was this homogenous international community that where everyone acts in one accord.
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And indeed, that's what I did and do. If you insist on experiences, I can say that in my coed shop class in high school, I was the envy of my classmates because the young lady at the desk in front of me would always be leaning forward such that her thong and cheeks were half way out of her jeans... If they were distracted from across the room, I hate to think how badly they'd be distracted in my seat right behind her. It was only a minor distraction to me because I have low testosterone if I don't go to the gym, and I basically have the focus of a high-functioning autistic person... but being distracted from learning and following safety precautions in shop class is definitely dangerous; considering someone did get cut open pretty good in that class.
Liberal educators speak as if their public institutions are the only place where social interaction is possible... that is obviously not the case. They exaggerate their role in society to the extent that it's an insult to the entire human race. There is not some "mystery" of interaction with the opposite sex... either you follow the golden rule, or you don't; and if you don't it doesn't matter whether or not your academic institution was coed or single-sex.

When you look at "experiences" or case studies of things that have gone wrong at either type of institution, they are usually not things that are necessarily specific to that type of institution. Either type of school can create a toxic environment for it's students. The only real inherent difference between the two is that in coed institutions there are more opportunities for sexual impulses to overwhelm and become a distraction to young people that have not yet developed stronger senses to discern their impulses, and who regularly overestimate their own willpower and self-control. The coed-school's do not "teach self-control" either; they deal with this by making it the student's problem... but if the students aren't able to resolve this, then they will make it become society's problem later on when they develop low-self esteem, become sociopaths, and start murdering people.

my coed school had a uniform and standards I mean everyone had to be fully clothed. Nobody was going round with their g string hanging out or shirts unbuttoned.

Some girls did shorten their skirts but they wore shorts underneath so noone could see their knickers. It was for practical reasons cos long skirts get in the way. Actually many girls prefer to wear pants.

maybe autistic challenged kids ought to have their own schools where they can be taught social skills. Since they cant really control themselves and have no sense of boundaries?

Autistic kids are very in your face or tactile. Because of sensory issues. Obviously if not caught early will become a huge problem when they reach adolescence. People dont like to be roughed up but they want to be able to FEEL. thats how they know their boundaries. Temple Grandins hug machine was part of that.

Im supposing that for autistic children smaller classes would be better and single sex after adolesence.

But for everyone else, self regulating emotions is not a huge problem as it is for those on the spectrum?

I was not afraid of the oppostie sex or distracted and I hever felt that I distracted anyone else in class. we were there to learn. The place for being distracted and flirting was at parties or the school ball etc. in breaktimes the girls always hung out with each other and the boys with each other anyway. It was like this unwritten rule, but if you WERE going with someone you held hands and everyone knew!

I had a few spectrum type kids in primary school, one girl would always grab me in a tight hug and try to pick ME up lol

she had no idea that her behaviour was annoying and inapppropriate until she learned that she didnt like it when people did the same things to her. She would also find sneaky ways to get out of doing anything she didnt feel like doing.

another girl who was quite challenged often had meltdowns out of frustration so the other girls avoided her and didnt want to work with her. But these children needed individual attention and were easily distracted and most would label that ADHD and it wouldnt really have anything to do with sex or gender.