Works righteousness.

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

So according to you, Jesus merely "initially" cleanses us from our sins through His blood, but after that, it's up to us to keep God's commandments in order to keep ourselves cleansed? Again I ask, how do you define "keep" God's commandments.

The thing is, you sin every day, but you can not see it, because you have this notion you can be sinless. So instead of looking to Jesus, you like the pharisee who thinks they have obeyed the law.when in reality, they were guilty of the law. They just could not see it, because they looked Outward and not inward,

the penalty of sin is death

all it takes is one sin, knowing to do right and not doing it is sin, anytime you think of self and not others it is sin, anytime you chose to serve self and not others it is sin,

we do it all the time, many times not even knowing it, because we still have the flesh, it may be crucified but it’s still there,

every morning you wake up you deserve hell, until you get that attitude, I feel sorry for you

Yep

so apart from Gods grace, you are dead, dead where you stand, and if that sin debt is not paid for, byChrists work, you will suffer eternal death

will he admit that moses and Paul and even James made it clear, keeping the law in Gods terms means perfection? That even one sin makes us guilty and forever without hope?

Those who peddle salvation by works typically cite all the same passages of scripture that you continue to cite. Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.*

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust" with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. *Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside. Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment.

THIS is A brother that has fallen, it tells us.
James

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*Notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth..turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..

IF this person was a genuine believer, yet how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living soul [psuche] in the sea died".

"Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life". The word "psuche" is never translated as "spirit." In 1 Corinthians 5:5, we read - I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (no second death).

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error.

So is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16).

Enduring to the end is descriptive of those who are truly born of God. Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

Where does the text say, "fallen brother?" You are reading your own preconceived theology into the text. The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved.

The Jews were called the Lord’s servants, but they were not all saved. *Isaiah 43:10 - "You are My witnesses, says the Lord," And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.

*Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Yet God later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1:5)

*Nehemiah 1:6 - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father’s house and I have sinned.

there are many many many scripture that show us if we fall we will be lost,

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Proverbs 24:16 - For a righteous man may fall seven times And rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

Ezekiel 18:29 - But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? But the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? Ezekiel 33:13 - When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his OWN righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.

Did you read that? "If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS." This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3 - "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that BELIEVES.

As James Fawcett Brown points out - righteous--one apparently such; as in Matthew 9:13, "I came not to call the righteous," that is, those who fancy themselves righteous. First please notice the underlined words "his righteousness" meaning that the "righteous" turns from his righteousness. That is his OWN righteousness.

SALVATION OBTAINED BY WORKS/SALVATION MAINTAINED BY WORKS WILL CAUSE MANY MANY MANY TO BE LOST.

There are maybe three sentences in this post that are yours. The rest is Scripture.

The disagreement isn't with you but with what the Apostles have written.

...i think you're taking an incomplete thought to support your view. Perhaps it's inadvertently?

The passage says "...he trusts in his own righteousness AND COMMITS INIQUITY." It's the whole thing, not just the righteousness part.

This is exactly the problem Paul addresses with the Jews in Roman 2. They thought as keepers and teachers of the law, following ordinances (like circumcision), that they can just sin and still keep a good standing with the Almighty...but Paul says they will be treated as if they never were circumcised.

The heart of the matter is in the hubris of thinking that one's righteousness is secure enough to continue to sin against the Almighty. Not everyone has this hubris who disagrees that righteousness can be lost so please don't imply I'm saying that, but the notion is dangerous. And there are an abundance of passages explaining that the Almighty can reverse His forgiveness if a servant is later found unworthy of it.

What a wretched existence. There is absolutely no power from or faith in God in the life you've described.

This is not true for the believer.

This is not true for you.

We are overcomers of the world, not defeated by it. More than conquerors.

If there's not an change or maturation occurring every day, from glory to glory, where one sins less and less something is wrong.

I hope that someone can explain to me why, when works are the subject of discussion, it brings out so many who speak about the negative of working for the Lord, and so few speak of the many positives of working for the Lord?

The 119th Psalm is such an inspiration that a person who puts it to memory is helped in this life and in our eternal life, yet few mention it or post about its wonders. Works, in most posts, are only what does not lead to salvation, so they are said to be worthless.

Do you actually think that the Lord wants us to not keep His commands? After all, to you, keeping them would only be "in order to keep ourselves cleansed". What a terrible walk with the Lord you prescribe.

Do you realize you are working to haver people keep sin in their lives, not for salvation?

Do you realize you continue to have a comprehension problem

dan said nothing of which you accuse him of here

Why would you think that Dan is promoting working for the Lord? Do you see this in his posts? Please point out where he promotes works.

Smh

Scripture please.

It is not the absence of sin but the grieving over it which distinguishes the child of God from empty professors ~~ Arthur W. Pink

I do not under stand, what you mean, ???

I was pointing out to them that they were arguing with scripture because you barely said anything in that post.

Ok thanks AND PRAISE GOD, AND GOD BLESS

Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus this tells us that YESUAH IS OUR HIGH PREIST.
Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things [pertaining] to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
5:3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
5:4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as [was] Aaron.
5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
5:6 As he saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore [it is] of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
You need to study on what the HIGH PREIST DOES INTHE OLD TESTAMENT TO FIND OUT WHAT YESUAH IS DOING IN THE HEAVENLY Sanctuary, HE IS applying his blood to cover our sins when we prey and repent and ask YESUAH TO FOR GIVE US,
I have A on the Sanctuary, if you will send me your address, I will send you one, to help you study IT, GOD Bless as GOD sees GOOD FOR YOU, My e-mail is wrwelch1@outlook.com