Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

God does not increase in knowledge. If He knows and chooses someone temporally, that would mean He did not know them before. That would be a god who grows in knowledge and sentience.

Don’t know if we want to promote that concept of God.

So if God chose them in time, does that mean He didn’t know He would choose them until He chose them?

Foreknowledge and predestination.

Category error.

I am talking about something (foreknowledge before the foundation) that is found in other places in the Bible.

And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

Every narrative in the bible is God choosing in time . You are adding a presupposition to this . Your starting with the presupposition and filtering the text accordingly. Paul was clearly chosen. But it doesn't say he was chosen before the foundation of the world . You add to what is not written .

Stick to the text . Your in doctrine mode and not considering what the text ACTUALLY says .

I believe what the scriptures actually say . Thats deductive reasoning the way your saying one thing happens to a person ,therefore this same thing always happens to everyone in the same . No the thing that the bible says happened to an individual ,we mark that down as happening to that individual. Peter walked on water for a while, surely if we concentrate on Jesus we can walk on water " Moses parted the red sea , surely we can also part the red sea " Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind ,surely we.....And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. ....you get the point .

Which verses ? We have some verses about Paul i agree with what it says about Paul .

No not as Paul .

I'm agreeing up to a point . If you mean that in real time God chose Paul to be an apostle to the gentiles . Thats all the verses are saying about Paul . Why would i go further than what the bible says ?

Why are we comparing what happened to Paul to me ? Are the verses saying anything about any one else other than Paul ?

Its telling us something about Paul .

11¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

13¶For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

14And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15¶But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,

16To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

17Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

y18¶Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

19But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

20Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

21¶Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

This is all Paul speaking about himself. He's not teaching anything on ' calling ' election, ' predestinated ' chosen ' . Its narrative as to what happened to Paul . We learn about Paul and what happened to him ..We learn what HIS mission was ect

The Greek word for “separated,” here, is “aphorizo,” as it is found in Matthew 25:32; Luke 6:22; and Acts 13:2, 19:9. Not once in either Testament does the word have reference to any eternal act or decree, nor does the text say that Paul was separated BEFORE he was born (see Jer. 1:5). He was separated when he was born (“from my mother’s womb”), and he was not “elected” until he “put his hat in the ring.” No “election” is eternal, and the word never occurs anywhere but in a time setting.
It pleased God to reveal His Son “in Paul” when Paul changed his mind about God’s Son (Acts 9:6) and cried, “Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?” 2. Furthermore, God’s Son was revealed “FROM HEAVEN” (1 Cor. 15:47) before He ever got “in” Paul.

But you do agree that the Tribulation is another name for Jacob's trouble right?

Doesn't answer the question, Hoss.

You do know that Jesus did not exercise all of His Divine prerogatives, right? Like the fact that He said He didn't know the day or the hour of His return.