Fruit of the flesh , read description. Will David and other men of God who obeyed their flesh at some point of time not inherit the kingdom of God?

Galatians 5 : 19 - 21 KJV

19. Includes adultery , fornication, lasciviousness, uncleanness
20. Includes idolatry , witchcraft , hatred , variance , emulations , wrath, strife, seditions , heresies
21. Includes envyings , murders , drunkenness, revellings and such like. It further says they that do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now let me make this clear -
Didn't David murder?
Didn't Noah get drunk?
Didn't Saul envy David and still was said by Samuel that after he died, he would be with him as he ascended up (Samuel)?
Didn't Judah commit adultery with his own daughter in law?

What does all this indicate ?
That these people will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Two views on this verse. One is that believers if doing these things will not 'inherit ' a place in the kingdom . Alloted portion ect .
Or that its simply giving the contrast between unbelievers and believers.

Of course there is a third view that its losing salvation. But this would throw out too many verses which state that once we are sealed by the Holy Spirit this is until glorification. Eph 4.30 / Eph 1.12-13 ect .

Did not King David put down in a Psalm, "Blessed is the man against whom God does not impute the guilt of his sin."?

And such the like...wouldn't that include all of us?

To fully comprehend this we should let scripture interpret scripture. How you understand the verse in English depends on the bible version you use, but some translate to “commit“ or to “do” sin. As to “practice“ sin. The reason is that the root Word is the same but this verse uses the present tense continuous verb ie continuously do something as a practice.

This ties in perfectly with the verse that tell us if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

If sin is a breaking of the law then we know Scripture tells us if we break one command then we have broken the whole law of God. So we cannot quibble about specific sins listed, they are examples in the context. Scripture tells us that no man can be saved by the works of The law.

Also scripture tells us that ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Thus all have broken the whole of God’s law in effect.

However though even believers sin, we no longer practice sin as a lifestyle, we practice righteousness (not that we have perfected it yet by any means,...and we can still confess and be forgiven when we sin as believers.)

Sorry, but how you understand the version of the Bible we read is ordinarily the same for all versions unless words are mistranslated to the degree of making it invalid. If the latter is the case, that version is not accepted by those who know their language and grammar.

Anyway, it is the Holy Spirit Who gives us understanding, and He can use a Cook Book to get the eternal truth across.

If a person has the driving need to intellectualize our Father-s love in words, that person does not understand anything he is reading nor purporting to others..

First of all, other translations have the wording "those who make a practice" of doing these things will not inherit the kingdom. In other words a single bad decision (that all of us make from time to time) doesn't suddenly condemn us to hell.

Likewise Paul touches on this same subject in 1st Corinthians 6:9-11(ESV). Verse 11 is the key

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[b] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[c] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

You haven’t answered or attempted to answer the op’s question. It might be helpful to address that in a reply to their post, as that is the purpose of responding on threads. Also, it would perhaps be helpful to enlighten such as myself who you deem greatly misunderstood, and lead by example
in how you answer the op’s query. We are all here to help one another surely?

We have the alerts option in this program.
When I respond to an alert, it is just that, my response to an alert within a dialogue.
Usually I am not aware of the original post when responding to someone elses post given to me in those alerts.

Perhaps the staff in charge of the web site might be notified of the failure of the alert system and it can be eliminated? I am satisified with the system the way it is.

PS, I have responded to the op, at leasts to an earlier post to it. Dialogs will be quite varied in substance when truly dialoging.

It is curious you are alerted to my posts as I don’t think we follow one another. Och well. No harm done.

Well, I jusst fixed that, I am following you.

I believe if we follow a thread, we are alerted to all posts that come in to it.

Anyway, there is no evil intent in my manner of following threads. Sometimes my vision handicap does get in the way, and sometimes I even answer to the wrong post, so be ready for odd things out of fme in that department. I am very blessed as I am. I believe youa re too.

Christ died to pay for the sins of those that his Father gave him, as a sacrifice to God, for God's acceptance, and Jesus said that he would not lose any, but raise them up at the last day.

Those that he died for cannot commit a sin that will void their promise of their eternal inheritance, however, they still carry the baggage of their sinful nature until their natural death. When they commit a sin, they separate themselves from their fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent, but they do not lose their eternal inheritance.

The kingdom of God is Jesus's church that he set up in the apostles day. There will be some regenerated children of God that practice sin that will not be allowed as members of the church, due to church discipline, but will still inherit heaven.

When you quote someone, anyone, they get an alert (unless you are on that person's ignore list )

Ah yeah but it was my first response (#5) Which did not reference or quote from anyone except maybe the op, that Jaumej seemed to refer to in their post (#6).

That was my confusion about the alert to my comment #5, promoting J to write #6, (the post which baffled me as it was clearly relating to my comment - and not the op questions.)

Hope that clarifies my confusion. Anyway it is really not an issue if someone feels I lack understanding in the way I study and relay scriptural things. We will all disagree on some things, that is normal.

There are two things to consider when trying to decide on who ENTERS the Kingdom or not. But first I would like to define "The Kingdom", so there is no misunderstanding. God made man to rule the earth (Genesis 1:26-28). Daniel mostly deals with who will end up ruling the earth. So the Kingdom we talk of in this thread is when the Last Adam, Jesus Christ, returns from His Father's throne "above the highest heaven", defeats the military power of the Gentiles, and replaces Gentile government, ON THIS EARTH, with a Government Headed by Himself. This Kingdom will have three parts, like most Kingdoms. (i) The Rulers, (ii) the Servants to the King, and (iii) the Subjects.

1. The first of the two things is, is the person eligible for ENTRY into the Kingdom. To be a RULER one has to (i) be born again and Baptized (Jn.3:3-5), and (ii) have submitted to a rigorous training by the Holy Spirit, and (iii) have proven that you will, at all times, obey Christ. The SERVANTS and the SUBJECTS are part of the Kingdom, but do not INHERIT IT.
2. The second of these two things is, is the man or woman relieved of the just retribution of the Lord for their sins? Since all of us sinned, and this because we all possess the sin-nature of Adam (Rom.5:12), this point is crucial. God is FIRST righteous, and only second is He merciful. Justice must be done, and if justice is satisfied, mercy can be extended.

The answer to your question is, if it can be shown, that any man or woman, (i) believed in the Person of Jesus Christ, (ii) admitted it by mouth, (iii) had his/her sins set aside judicially, (iv) underwent a training successfully to rule, (v) and proved over decades of his/her lifetime that he/she put the Lord's commands and desires first, he/she will INHERIT the Kingdom. Let's take David of Bethlehem.
In the Psalms, David foresaw, and admitted that Messiah would come, and he confessed it. David was taught by his sheep how to rule sheep. He was taught by a bear and a lion how to trust God. He spent years in Saul's court to see how NOT to do things. He learned to rule a small company of men under threat. He learned to rule Two Tribes first, and he then was a successful king over all Israel. His sins are done away with because Jesus died for them and he admitted it. He, as a man under Law, was temporally punished for the case of Bathsheba and her husband Uriah. Jeremiah 30:9 predicts that David will be second in command over ALL Israel again in the Kingdom. David fulfills all the requirements even though he failed badly.

If you are a woman, it is possible, and most probable that you will not get David's credentials. But do you have to? NO! Because the Lord said that if a person is faithful in small things, they will be faithful over the great things. A woman is taught to manage God's things by raising children (1st Tim 2:15). She is taught obedience by having her husband as head (and mostly not a good one at that). But if she learns submission to a bad head, she will easily submit to a Head Who is Christ. If she submits to the govenrment in her marriage and in her Church life, shoe will also submit to Christ when she rules ten cities (Lk.19:17-19). If she finds every reason not to suffer the training that her position requires, she is also not fit to rule Christ' things. If she lives wantonly and satisfies her desires for freedom and pleasure, she will do that in the kingdo and bring God's Name into disrepute. A Christian woman's lot is not easy. But it is a fabulous training fro being a co-king with Jesus when He comes.

The man is no different. All men have a boss. Even if it is a policeman telling him to pull over, men are subject to bosses. And because they are human, they are fallen bosses. A man's training is sometimes very harsh. His pride and ego get trashed. He is broken by worries about money and position. He will be tested by his wife, for God promised that she would try to rule him in Genesis 3. The an is expected to make sacrifices for his wife and children. He works in his sweat, has a short retirement is he is blessed and then dies. At work he is given problems by his boss and his co-workers and his subordinates. If he cannot master these small problems, how will he manage God's things.

The Kingdom of God is not about food and wine, although they will be in abundance when Christ returns. It is about RIGHTEOUSNESS, JOY and PEACE. Righteousness of a co-king with Christ must be 100%. His rule should bring JOY! Proverbs 29:2 says; "When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn." He should have peace with God and himself. In Christ's Kingdom is the rule of "the rod of iron". It will bring "unbending" and commensurate justice to criminals and respect the rights of the innocent. War is abolished and strife is settled immediately by this rod. It will be a reign of peace..

Oops, I meant, unless you have that person on ignore Then you would not see notifications from them

That is true: it is quite rare to find total agreement with others on
Scriptural matters, though most are not hills to die on, as they say

Some times ignore dosn't work right I've tried to ignore some people and unwatch a few threads as well. Sometimes it works ok other times, not.

Be that as it may, good morning.

Isaiah 1
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;

17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Wash or repent and God Will forgive.
Not repent, Yes, not inherit the kingdom of God

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

So it is saying that if you keep doing those things you will not inherit the kingdom of God. Even if you claim to believe in Jesus but you keep on doing those things then you will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

David did not keep doing those things. He repented and quit doing those things.

Christians used to do those things and they were born again and were forgiven and washed by the blood of Christ and no longer do those things.

However, if someone listens to a slick tongued trickster who bends scriptures about the grace of God and they think that they can keep on doing those things and still go to heaven because they can't loose their salvation so they become a drunkard again and stay that way they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Here is another passage where the same author Paul said something similar and adds a bit more to give you more understanding.

1 Cor 6:9
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

So you see that these Corinthians had been guilty of such sins in the past but they were washed, and sanctified, (which means they were changed by the Spirit of God to live differently) They no longer did those things.

And yet he warns them and he warns us today. BE NOT DECEIVED.. if you continue doing these things after you have been washed because you heard a teaching that you can go to heaven anyway BE NOT DECEIVED.. because there were false teachings at the time that Paul wrote this that were telling Christians that they could sin with their flesh nature and their spirits were innocent and they would still go to heaven because the flesh is nothing.

BE NOT DEVCEIVED because there are people being influenced by the same demons that were teaching in Paul's day (demons don't die) and they are still trying to convince people that they can do all sorts of sins like being a drunkard and still go to heaven. But BE NOT DECEIVED they that practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven no matter how many times they pontificate about seals and mason jars, and nobody being able to pluck them out of Gods hand, and sons are always sons, and once saved always saved, and pass my my salt shaker and lime and glug glug glug, and if I am sleeping with my girlfriend it is ok because God knows our hearts and I can't loose my salvation nonsense. BE NOT DECEIVED. They that practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.