LIVING IN THE MILLENIA

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eternally-gratefull said:
Your problem is you think you can not be deceived about anything, so your adding to the word something that is not there
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No I said if I trust in our Lord completely I can't be deceived any neither can anyone who follows the Spirit.

eternally-gratefull said:
the word can mean gentiles or nations, you assuming it just means people, but that makes no sense, Satan is not omnipresent, he does not go around wasting his time trying to decieve people, he decieved countries, like he has been doing since the beginning, countries like the Islamic countries that prohibit and kill christians, and teaching their children against God
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Satan tempts individuals, like Jesus, Job, David, Peter, etc, And we are warned that the devil wants to devour us, so we must put on the whole armor God gives us. And some muslims living in predominantly Islamic countries have left their false religion and come to faith in Christ. So the idea that everyone in Islamic countries will be deceived until a future rime isn't true.

eternally-gratefull said:
and the passage does not say faith in Christ stops people, it says satan is bound in the bottomless pit so he can not deceive
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The "bottomless pit" isn't a place as we normally think of a location. Like we might say, "I fell into a pit." We don't mean a literal hole in the ground. But it's a state the devil is in. Like monotony, which can never be filled.

eternally-gratefull said:
your missing the whole point of what is being said, christ rules, the nations live in peace, everyone knows who he is, at the end, he is freed, and immediately again gathers an army, even after people have witnessed the goodness of God for 1000 years.
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People see the goodness of God in what Jesus did. That's enough. It's gentiles who believe in Jesus who have the peace of God, despite being in a war against the devils army.
 
cv5 said:
Everyone here had better ask themselves the following question:
Has Isaiah ch9 and Isaiah ch11 been fulfilled? Also read Isaiah ch14.

I could provide hundreds of similar examples. There are over 1800 prophecies of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ in the OT.

Isa 60:16......See related verses at link
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/60-16.htm
You shall drink the milk of the Gentiles, And milk the breast of kings; You shall know that I, the LORD, am your Savior And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

This business that the Millennial reign exists now is absurd nonsense and a heresy.
Modern Israel as a nation has only existed since 1948. They wait for the return of the King.
This is yet future but very near.
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No, the modern Israel is not waiting for the return of the King. They don't believe Jesus is King and your belief that Jesus will save unbelieving Jews upon his return is a fatal mistake.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. Isa.9:2

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. Mt.4:14-16

You are giving the Jewish people a false sense of security whether they come to faith in Jesus now or not.
The scriptures never teach that all in this world will live in peace. The scriptures teach that all in God's holy mountain (that is, in Christ) will live in peace.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Jn.14:27
 
Journeyman said:
No, the modern Israel is not waiting for the return of the King. They don't believe Jesus is King and your belief that Jesus will save unbelieving Jews upon his return is a fatal mistake.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. Isa.9:2

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. Mt.4:14-16

You are giving the Jewish people a false sense of security whether they come to faith in Jesus now or not.
The scriptures never teach that all in this world will live in peace. The scriptures teach that all in God's holy mountain (that is, in Christ) will live in peace.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Jn.14:27
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Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
 
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Journeyman said:
No, the modern Israel is not waiting for the return of the King. They don't believe Jesus is King and your belief that Jesus will save unbelieving Jews upon his return is a fatal mistake.

The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. Isa.9:2

That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. Mt.4:14-16

You are giving the Jewish people a false sense of security whether they come to faith in Jesus now or not.
The scriptures never teach that all in this world will live in peace. The scriptures teach that all in God's holy mountain (that is, in Christ) will live in peace.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Jn.14:27
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Today's secular Israel is not waiting for Jesus. Nevertheless this is the pre-gathering for the end time scenarios to develop. If you don't know perhaps you should study and find out that only when Israel is in the midst of their Great Tribulation, do they beg for the return of their King. Only then does He come. THAT IS THE SECOND COMING. And then he makes war Personally against the armies gathered against Israel and destroys them. He has no assistance he does it alone.
 
Tararose said:
Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
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People choose to throw Israel under the bus despite Romans chapter 11. Incredible really.
 
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Journeyman said:
No I said if I trust in our Lord completely I can't be deceived any neither can anyone who follows the Spirit.

Satan tempts individuals, like Jesus, Job, David, Peter, etc, And we are warned that the devil wants to devour us, so we must put on the whole armor God gives us. And some muslims living in predominantly Islamic countries have left their false religion and come to faith in Christ. So the idea that everyone in Islamic countries will be deceived until a future rime isn't true.

The "bottomless pit" isn't a place as we normally think of a location. Like we might say, "I fell into a pit." We don't mean a literal hole in the ground. But it's a state the devil is in. Like monotony, which can never be filled.

People see the goodness of God in what Jesus did. That's enough. It's gentiles who believe in Jesus who have the peace of God, despite being in a war against the devils army.
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You are spiritual using prophecy in doing this you destroy the purpose in f prophecy

Sorry. But I can not see it your way

Again the passage says he is bound in the bottomless pit so he can no longer decieve nations

God sai it. I believe it I recommend you do also
 
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Tararose said:
Romans 11

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
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Tararose,
Paul wasn't teaching that someday in the future, all Jews will be saved. He's saying the full number of believing gentiles are fellow citizens, the same body, along with believing Jews = all Israel.

Blindness in part, not completely. Blindness is the result of unbelief. Read Romans 11 from the beginning. Paul is saying that if the Jews come to faith in Christ now, not after Jesus returns, they will be saved. Romans 9 also shows that it's believers, reflgardless of race, but by faith, that make up Gods holy nation.
 
cv5 said:
Today's secular Israel is not waiting for Jesus. Nevertheless this is the pre-gathering for the end time scenarios to develop. If you don't know perhaps you should study and find out that only when Israel is in the midst of their Great Tribulation, do they beg for the return of their King. Only then does He come. THAT IS THE SECOND COMING. And then he makes war Personally against the armies gathered against Israel and destroys them. He has no assistance he does it alone.
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The war between Christ and all evil is happening now. When Jesus returns, the war is over. It's judgement day for all then.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You are spiritual using prophecy in doing this you destroy the purpose in f prophecy

Sorry. But I can not see it your way

Again the passage says he is bound in the bottomless pit so he can no longer decieve nations

God sai it. I believe it I recommend you do also
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I'm not spiritualizing millions and millions of gentiles who are no longer deceived by the devil because of Christs sacrifice. Jesus defeated our true enemy by his resurrection. You believe our enemy is radical muslims. You're wrong. Jesus said preach the gospel and whoever doesn't believe will be damned. You say unbelieving Jews can wait until Jesus returns. You're wrong.
 
Journeyman said:
I'm not spiritualizing millions and millions of gentiles who are no longer deceived by the devil because of Christs sacrifice.
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This is not about the gospel

this is about what God said

he said at that time satan will be bound in the bottomless pit so he is unable to decieve the nations
Jesus defeated our true enemy by his resurrection. You believe our enemy is radical muslims. You're wrong. Jesus said preach the gospel and whoever doesn't believe will be damned. You say unbelieving Jews can wait until Jesus returns. You're wrong.
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I never stated the above, either you have me confused with someone else, or your willfully bearing false witness, either way, you need to apologize!
 
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Journeyman said:
The "bottomless pit" isn't a place as we normally think of a location. Like we might say, "I fell into a pit." We don't mean a literal hole in the ground. But it's a state the devil is in. Like monotony, which can never be filled.
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Do you believe in a place of torment (Hell), for the wicked soul upon death as seen in Luke below?

Luke 16:22-26KJV
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
 
Journeyman said:
The war between Christ and all evil is happening now. When Jesus returns, the war is over. It's judgement day for all then.
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Yes, when Jesus Christ returns its judgement day for all, (By Fire) all men's work, both righteous and wicked will be tryed by this fire.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 
Truth7t7 said:
Yes, when Jesus Christ returns its judgement day for all, (By Fire) all men's work, both righteous and wicked will be tryed by this fire.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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You really should not salivate over people who will not have their place with the Lord.
 
GraceAndTruth said:
You really should not salivate over people who will not have their place with the Lord.
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The people of God salivate and plead for for TRUE JUSTICE coming from on high. Judgment flows from justice incidentally and is inevitable. Here are the Saints PRAYERS for justice and then PRAISE for dispensing it......

Rev 6:10
They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”


Rev 19
1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. 5And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
This is not about the gospel

this is about what God said

he said at that time satan will be bound in the bottomless pit so he is unable to decieve the nations

I never stated the above, either you have me confused with someone else, or your willfully bearing false witness, either way, you need to apologize!
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Yes it is about the gospel. The strong angel who binds satan is figurative of how the the martyrs spread the gospel to the world.

If I misunderstood your intention about Islamic countries that want to kill Christians, I apologize. And while it was cv5 who mentioned that the modern State of Israel is waiting for the return of the King, you put a like on his post. so apparently you agree with him and for that I do not apologize.
 
Journeyman said:
Yes it is about the gospel. The strong angel who binds satan is figurative of how the the martyrs spread the gospel to the world.

If I misunderstood your intention about Islamic countries that want to kill Christians, I apologize. And while it was cv5 who mentioned that the modern State of Israel is waiting for the return of the King, you put a like on his post. so apparently you agree with him and for that I do not apologize.
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I have a couple of questions. Which church do you attend? What teaching pastors do you recommend?
 
Journeyman said:
Yes it is about the gospel. The strong angel who binds satan is figurative of how the the martyrs spread the gospel to the world.
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there is nothing figurative about it, your twisting the word of God to fit your belief syste,

If I misunderstood your intention about Islamic countries that want to kill Christians, I apologize. And while it was cv5 who mentioned that the modern State of Israel is waiting for the return of the King, you put a like on his post. so apparently you agree with him and for that I do not apologize.
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My intention? It’s fact not diction, they do

because they are being decieved by Satan, because he is not bound
 
Truth7t7 said:
Do you believe in a place of torment (Hell), for the wicked soul upon death as seen in Luke below?

Luke 16:22-26KJV
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
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I believe when all scripture concerning the unsaved are examined, they suffer torment over having their sin exposed and then are annihilated.
 
Journeyman said:
I believe when all scripture concerning the unsaved are examined, they suffer torment over having their sin exposed and then are annihilated.
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OK I see. You are also an annihilationist....Correct? So are many of the cults.
 
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