I think he HAS to be confusing me with another poster... (unless his reading skills have really gone south in recent weeks, who knows
[no offense to Truth7t7, lol ])-
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I think he HAS to be confusing me with another poster... (unless his reading skills have really gone south in recent weeks, who knows
[no offense to Truth7t7, lol ])
Yes I am equating the male child who is caught up to God and His throne with the remnant, rest/plural of her seed.
I also see the remnant (plural) who represent the male child who is caught up to God and His throne correlating with Micah 5:3, and distinct from Jesus's birth in Micah 5:2.
Do you notice what the remnant spiritually minded male child who is caught up to God and His throne is like in Micah 5:7-8? Like caught up with Christ in power.
Micah 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. 8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.
The details of the 70th week obviously did not occur at the conclusion of the 69th week in which the Lord was crucified, and therefore is a period following the 69th week by some time, and not sequential.
Here's the thing TheDivineWatermark, The current church consists of those things made by man, and those things made by God. Those whose faith is manmade are those who will be shaken out, while those whose faith is true will not be shaken out. The Lord is now in the process of shaking both the earth and the heavens (Hebrews 12:26-27). In the heavens, it will be the devil and his angels who will be shaken out, while on earth it will be the great many of those who call themselves Christians whose faith is manmade, who will fall away, having been shaken out in the coming great tribulation. The truly faithful on the other hand I see as the travailing woman who will not be shaken out, but because nearly all Christians today are double minded, will thereby experience travailing in becoming a singularly minded spiritual being.
Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
The woman that flees into the wilderness of Israel for 1260 days and is fed is the remnant, your 100% correct, is all ya had to do was read a few more chapters, and there us your woman in the wilderness being fed, (Manna From Heaven) as in the days of old, as the world watches in astonishment during the tribulation.
Revelation 12:6KJV
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Micah 7:12-17KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.
While the woman shall be provided sustenance for her physical body, I also believe the woman being fed is in relation to a spiritual feeding that will result in a singularly minded spiritual being (the male child who is caught up to God and His throne).
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
To understand the Seventy weeks that were determined upon thy people (Jews) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), you need to read it in context. Daniel was praying for his people and the holy city, when the Angel came to explain what would happen. &0 weeks were determined for the people to get things right.
"from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be 69 weeks (seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks).
457BC the decree to restore and build the city. -- 69 weeks (483 years) -- 27AD = Jesus was baptized. The beginning of the public ministry.
(Jesus) "he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.
27AD -- 3 1/2 years -- 31AD = Jesus died and the Sacrifice was complete.
They (Jews) still had 3 and a half years to accept Jesus as a nation. But they didn't.
31AD -- 3 1/2 years -- 34AD = they stoned Steven to death when he gave the speech in Acts 7. " Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ...When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart,...And cast him out of the city, and stoned him".
The 70 weeks have come and gone, it was for Gods people and for "...thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. "
I believe the scripture provided clearly shows the remnant during the time Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles, actually being fed in the wilderness,literal not symbolic.
Revelation 12:6KJV
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Micah 7:12-17KJV
12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.
13 Notwithstanding the land shall be desolate because of them that dwell therein, for the fruit of their doings.
14 Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old.
15 According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things.
16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
17 They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the Lord our God, and shall fear because of thee.
Gods word below states the bad guy, Daniel's little horn, Pauls man of sin, John's the beast, is going to be in Jerusalem until the (Consummation) the ULTIMATE END?
Merriam Webster
consummation
con·sum·ma·tion | \ ˌkän-sə-ˈmā-shən \
Definition of consummation
: the ultimate end : FINISH
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
You mean like the very clear failure to understand that the church will be present on earth to witness the Man Of Sin revealed.
As you falsely claim (Falling Away) below, represents a rapture of the Church to Heaven, and not (Apostasy) with the Greek word being (Apostasia) the very root word of (Apostasy)
Now that's hopelessly unintelligible
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4KJV
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Mathematical calculations show that moving ahead 483 years from the fall of 457 bc reaches the fall of ad 27. (Note: There is no year 0.) The word “Messiah” includes the meaning of “anointed” (John 1:41). Jesus was anointed with the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:38) at His baptism (Luke 3:21, 22). His anointing took place in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar (Luke 3:1), which was ad 27. And to think that the prediction was made more than 500 years before! Then Jesus began to preach that “the time is fulfilled.” He thus confirmed the prophecy (Mark 1:14, 15; Galatians 4:4).
There isn't anything in Scripture that clearly states such a division, so it's entirely a matter of interpretation.
This gap is fleshed out later on in Scripture. And fully understood by Paul himself and explained by him. Clearly. Profusely. Indubitably. Practically the entire New Testament proclaims this gap. Paul goes to extraordinary lengths to describe NOVELTY, nature and purpose of the Church. And Paul in Romans 9 10 & 11 clearly states that God is not through with Israel.
Rom 11:25
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, UNTIL the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Acts 3:21
whom heaven must receive UNTIL the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.
Furthermore by simple act of observation. Israel is now in the land Sir. The pre-gathering if you will.
For the life of me I cannot understand why people are confused about this topic. It is so clear so obvious even a child could understand it. For people who supposedly study the Bible daily this ignorance is inexcusable. As far as I can see you are being hoaxed by a bunch of snake oil selling false preachers. Such as Bruce Gore for example or my former pastor. Both stiff necked amillennialists.
To be honest what I believe is behind all of this is a love for this present age, this present world and the things of this world. The careers the children the families the ambitions the "stuff".
Should one accomodate error and false teaching with courtesy? Paul didn't. John didn't. Peter didn't. I have one more thing to say: All of the different views are not equivalently true.
And since you have utterly failed to adequately defend your view from Scripture in response to my posts I think we can put each other on ignore.
I think it's hilarious when people accuse you of "not defending your position" when you haven't even stated one.