What do you think of Martial Arts?

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J-T

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J-T let's try using logic one more time.

If everybody seems to be against you, it is just barely possible that all these people, who until now seemed like nice, reasonable folks, suddenly turned into evil minions of the devil and ganged up on you...

BUT...

It is far more logical to believe that you are wrong and you are being a total jerk about it and everybody is getting ticked off because you are being such a turd.

And in fact we could apply your own logic to yourself. You claim SoulWeaver is occult and dismiss her explanations as lies. You claim she has to prove she is not in witchcraft, rather than you being required to prove she is.

By your own logic I am now claiming J-T stands for jerk-turd. You can try to explain what you claim the initials stand for, but I will tell you right now that I will dismiss all your explanations as lies. The way you are acting certainly bears out my theory, in spades.
I had already mentioned that our interaction was going nowhere, and it is obvious that it was unfruitful. I stand by my statements, with cited sources, about "Soul Weaver", in time, I might very well expound upon that topic, of which I would have already accomplished if it were not for all of the severe disruptions. You had refused my invitation to discuss the three part recap in a kind and friendly manner, and so I am moving forward and am sticking to the topics, and have no interest to quarrel any further with you.
 

Lynx

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I had already mentioned that our interaction was going nowhere, and it is obvious that it was unfruitful. I stand by my statements, with cited sources, about "Soul Weaver", in time, I might very well expound upon that topic, of which I would have already accomplished if it were not for all of the severe disruptions. You had refused my invitation to discuss the three part recap in a kind and friendly manner, and so I am moving forward and am sticking to the topics, and have no interest to quarrel any further with you.
Gonna be honest here... I have duly noted that you have to get the last word, so right now I am just seeing how far you will go in pursuit of the last word.

A friend of mine mentioned that your posts seem a lot like certain atheists who try to stir up controversy in Christian forums. Your KJV only stance seems to support that, as it is a well-known easy debate starter. Right now I can't really take anything you say seriously.
 

J-T

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Gonna be honest here... I have duly noted that you have to get the last word, so right now I am just seeing how far you will go in pursuit of the last word.

A friend of mine mentioned that your posts seem a lot like certain atheists who try to stir up controversy in Christian forums. Your KJV only stance seems to support that, as it is a well-known easy debate starter. Right now I can't really take anything you say seriously.
You keep making this personal. I'm not interested in "having the last word", but since you are insistant, what is the topic of this thread? What has made the topic controversial? Can you provide one shred of evidence that proves that Martial Arts did not originate with the Occult, and while you are at it, would you like to share whether or not if you agree or disagree with "Soul Weaver's" teaching that the Occult book "Tao Te Ching", along with other Occult books "point to Christ" with explaination of your position?
 

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You have not presented any "prior questions" to me on this thread. This is a different thread with a different topic
Irrelevant. Answer my prior questions, or I won't answer yours. It's that simple. If that's too difficult for you to comprehend, you can probably take basic adult education classes at your local community college... that is, if you're actually an adult, which I doubt.
 

J-T

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Irrelevant. Answer my prior questions, or I won't answer yours. It's that simple. If that's too difficult for you to comprehend, you can probably take basic adult education classes at your local community college... that is, if you're actually an adult, which I doubt.
Any of your "prior questions" are irrelevant to the topics and issues of this thread. The questions that I have asked you are not difficult questions to answer. We both know why you refuse to answer the questions, as that has already become too obvious with your proven track record, just as we both know and understand your intent and purpose to be divisive on this thread.
 

Lynx

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You keep making this personal. I'm not interested in "having the last word", but since you are insistant, what is the topic of this thread? What has made the topic controversial? Can you provide one shred of evidence that proves that Martial Arts did not originate with the Occult, and while you are at it, would you like to share whether or not if you agree or disagree with "Soul Weaver's" teaching that the Occult book "Tao Te Ching", along with other Occult books "point to Christ" with explaination of your position?
Why would I bother refuting anything else? You haven't yet countered my other refutations. In fact you have been very choosy about which counter-arguments you address from everybody, only taking on the ones you can keep arguing about. You still have multiple counters pending from multiple people. You need to clear your inbox before we can bother filling it again.

Besides, anybody who claims all martial arts are entangled with the occult is either deliberately ignoring facts or deliberately trying to keep an argument going.
 

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I still really enjoy watching wuxia movies. Donny Yen is really compelling as the monkey king
I don’t know much about movies. Last time I saw a good martial arts movie was probably IP Man. The first 2 movies were good. Didn’t really like the 3rd one.
 

J-T

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Why would I bother refuting anything else? You haven't yet countered my other refutations. In fact you have been very choosy about which counter-arguments you address from everybody, only taking on the ones you can keep arguing about. You still have multiple counters pending from multiple people. You need to clear your inbox before we can bother filling it again.

Besides, anybody who claims all martial arts are entangled with the occult is either deliberately ignoring facts or deliberately trying to keep an argument going.
You haven't refuted anything, and besides, are you not the one that has accused me of wanting to have "the last word"? I don't allow for myself to become side tracked, whenever possible, away from the major topics, although that hasn't been all that easy to do with the many distractions by those defending the Occult practices of Martial Arts and Yoga. You have repeatedly came at me about my firm position on the subject of "Soul Weaver", but you have deliberately ignored the facts that have been presented in my three part recaps, but nonetheless, I intend to continue with exposing that herey with even more facts. This will be accomplished with or without your participation, just as I will also continue work to expose the Occultic roots of Martial Arts. So far, the "counter arguments", as you put it, have absolutely no shred of evidence to support their claims to disprove the Occultic roots of Martial Arts, and none, just as it has been the case with you, have cited and sources whatsoever to put forth any "counter argument" of any substance. Tell me, do you believe that "all religions worship the same god"?
 

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I have always loved Martial Arts and even went to China to study and learn Kung Fu. However I sometimes feel that Christians are not happy to learn this. What are your thoughts on this?
Why would it be against Christianity?
My view on martial arts is: They are good exercise, but if you are doing it for self-defence they are absolutely dreadful.

MMA or Boxing are something that actually work for self-defence, they give the same exercise benefits plus they dont have any spiritual mumbojumbo mixed in. ;)
 

Lynx

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Tell me, do you believe that "all religions worship the same god"?
Certainly not. Where did you get that idea?

There are a few martial arts that have mystic mumbo-jumbo mixed in. That doesn't mean ALL of them do, just because they came from a country that is not the USA. Some of them are very scientific studies of how the body moves and how to use it to stop an attacker cold.

If martial arts are ALL occult, does that include wrestling? Boxing? If not, why not?
 

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I had already mentioned that our interaction was going nowhere, and it is obvious that it was unfruitful. I stand by my statements, with cited sources, about "Soul Weaver", in time, I might very well expound upon that topic, of which I would have already accomplished if it were not for all of the severe disruptions. You had refused my invitation to discuss the three part recap in a kind and friendly manner, and so I am moving forward and am sticking to the topics, and have no interest to quarrel any further with you.
SoulWeaver is one of the more spiritually sound members of this site and her counsel is most insightful and valued.
 

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My view on martial arts is: They are good exercise, but if you are doing it for self-defence they are absolutely dreadful.

MMA or Boxing are something that actually work for self-defence, they give the same exercise benefits plus they dont have any spiritual mumbojumbo mixed in. ;)
lol it's pretty funny for you to say 'martial arts is useless' and then recommend 'MMA' = 'mixed martial arts'



'martial arts' is a really broad term and not a religion in any way, shape or form. it properly refers to any kind of disciplined system of techniques for physical combat, with or without weapons.

**some** martial arts, particularly some Chinese forms, in **some** schools run by **some** teachers incorporate Buddhist philosophies & 'spiritual mumbo jumbo' into their programs in the context of training the mind to be calm. a calm, relaxed mind is an integral part of any kind of martial discipline, and it's not as a pragmatic fact any different than a rifleman relaxing & exhaling as he takes aim. the fact that **some** disciplines of martial arts approach the necessary skill of learning to be calm and focused in a fight from the standpoint of meditative techniques that grow out of an Eastern religious culture does not make them religious exercises.

i train in a form of martial art originating in medieval Christian Europe. there is within these systems exactly the same kind of emphasis on disciplined calming of the mind with a goal of imbuing the practitioner with skill in a way that actions and reactions become automatic, without conscious thought -- because a fight's outcome can be determined in a split second, and spending a second thinking about your techniques before you put them to use can be the difference between life and death. in this context 'emptying your mind' is not 'inviting demon possession' ((as ignorant men continue to stupidly claim it to be)); it is the cool focus that is the goal of countless hours of practice at any skill, martial or otherwise. a professional football player does not pause to consider how to throw a perfect spiral pass or how to deke a tackle; he just does it -- because opportunity is lost in hesitation. the righteous man of God does not need to stop and look up what the Torah says about whether or not to help an ox that has fallen into a pit; he just does it.
it is no different -- the only difference, again, is that martial arts originating in Buddhist cultures approach learning to move and fight with that exact same state of mental acuity from the Buddhist perspective of meditative practice.

it's a problem for a number of people to have this discussion because they come from the perspective that theatrical kung-fu they saw in B-grade movies is the only thing in the world properly called a 'martial art' -- that's ignorant, and it colors ones thinking about the whole topic.
 

Lynx

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Is that the 2020 remake of Kung Fu?

Lightning fast flu fighting in 2020...

Oh wait - that must be Quick Silver.

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:)
Hmph... with all the things movies, shows and books predicted in 2020, they never saw the reality. No flying cars, no robot servants (well... except for roombas) and no real virtual reality where you can leave your body lying on the couch while your mind roams the computer from the inside. We made it to 2020 and all we get is a pandemic, protest marches and a serious shortage of toilet paper.
 

J-T

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Segment 1 Per The >> 3 Part RECAP on Page 11 <<:
(Part 1 of a 2 Part Post)

It is important to mention in this post that names do indeed have meanings, and aside from the fact that names have meaning in The Holy Bible, there are also websites on the Internet that give meanings of names that are offered to people looking to choose a name for their babies.

That stated, it did not escape controversy, I had cited sources that provided meaning of "Soul Weaver". In the last several pages, I had incurred much opposition and grievances from various individuals in spite of the fact that I told the truth. However, I have not lost focus as to the surreal danger that is facing so many in both Churches, as well as Christian Forums, as deceivers are cleaverly disguised as appearing to be Christians, true to The Lord Jesus Christ's holy words written in Matthew 7:13-27 KJB.

In this post, I want to focus and zoom in on some very important observations. First, it is a fact that Freemasonry is the ancient religion of blending religions, as it is the Antichrist agenda of deceiving the entire world into bending the knee to Baal with the objective of a One World Religion and a One World Government. It is a fact that @SoulWeaver's blog is established as a tool for that purposed agenda, but for whatever reason, many have chosen to turn a blind eye to the deception, and/or just simply not aware of it. While doing some basic fact gathering, this is what came up in search results: NOTICE THE DESCRIPTION: **(THIS IS A CULT!!) >> CHECK OUT THESE SEARCH RESULTS!! <<
"Taoist Christians" is a Gnostic Cult of the OCCULT!!


The Imploding Mind
https://theimplodingmind.blogspot.com
A Taoist Christian blog about the wisdom of Jesus & the Bible through the lens of Tao Te Ching, Buddhism, and Zen koan: The death of self is imminent.

Upon entering the website/blog the banner presents this message: "A Daoist Christian blog about the wisdom of Jesus and the Bible through the lens of Tao Te Ching, Advaita, Buddhism, and Zen koan: The death of Ego is imminent." And the guest (simple and unlearned) is first presented with an article dated & titled with a posted quote by Baal bender "Meister Eckhart"; (followed several other Gnostic posts in the blog);
"Saturday, October 3, 2020
Our Single True Nature
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Jesus said, "you are the light of the world".
If we ask who are we like, it is like light asking, enlighten me.
Or the eye, show me myself.
How will light be enlightened?
How will the eye see itself?
Once the eye went out of its place, traveling to see the eye. When it arrived, it was surprised finding no one in its house left to see.
Let "thine eye be single".

“The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.”
― Meister Eckhart, Sermons of Meister Eckhart


Posted by dystopianoracle at 12:04 AM "

In the above post, "Meister Eckhart" went to town with his one eye teaching, but it is not Biblical.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.


In the above quoted post alone, we can observe that this is nothing more than vain deceit and philosophy of men, and has nothing to do with the Biblical Jesus Christ. Aside from the quotation of "Meister Eckhart", take note of "Soul Weaver's" screen name for her website/blog: dystopianoracle, and know that it also has meaning.

dystopianoracle - My no brainer Short Translation = False Prophet, but have a look at the Dictionary definitions: (Google search dystopian and oracle separately to acquire other Dictionaries and their definitions);

dystopia
noun [ C or U ]


/dɪˈstəʊ.pi.ə/

a very bad or unfair society in which there is a lot of suffering, especially an imaginary society in the future, after something terrible has happned; a description of such a society:

or•a•cle ôr′ə-kəl, ŏr′-

n.
A shrine consecrated to the worship and consultation of a prophetic deity, as that of Apollo at Delphi.
  • n.
    A person, such as a priestess, through whom a deity is held to respond when consulted.
Definition of oracle
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : a person (such as a priestess of ancient Greece) through whom a deity is believed to speak the prophecies of the Delphic oracle— D. F. Marks
b : a shrine in which a deity reveals hidden knowledge or the divine purpose through such a person
c : an answer or decision given by an oracle

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/oracle
oracle
noun [ C ]

(especially in ancient Greece) a female priest who gave people wise but often mysterious advice from a god, or the advice given

https://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-dictionary/oracle.html

KJV Dictionary Definition: oracle
oracle
OR'ACLE, n. L. oraculum, from oro, to utter.

1. Among pagans, the answer of a god or some person reputed to be a god, to an inquiry made respecting some affair of importance, usually respecting some future event, as the success of an enterprise or battle.

2. The deity who gave or was supposed to give answers to inquiries; as the Delphic oracle.

3. The place where the answers were given.

4. Among christians, oracles, in the plural, denotes the communications, revelations or messages delivered by God to prophets. In this sense it is rarely used in the singular; but we say, the oracles of God, divine oracles, meaning the Scriptures.

5. The sanctuary or most holy place in the temple, in which was deposited the ark of the covenant. 1Kings 6.

6. Any person or place where certain decisions are obtained.

7. Any person reputed uncommonly wise, whose determinations are not disputed, or whose opinions are of great authority.

8. A wise sentence or decision of great authority.

OR'ACLE, v.i. To utter oracles.

Definitions from Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828.

This is a snippit from the second post on the same page in the blog that pertains to "Soul Weaver's" religion blinding, and it is not surprising to me that the Witch uses the phrasology that she does:

"I'm currently reading The Practice of the Presence of God, by Brother Lawrence.
Ran into a paragraph that reminded me of this koan a lot...
....
Action in the time of action. Being present. Always being mindful of the Divine Presence, Divine Reality, or Tao, or Oneness, however one wants to call The One who cannot be named."


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