No 'But '

I've seen some people who claim to be Christian whose behavior and language makes them appear as if they'd dedicated to winning top prize in the ahole of the year contest. Hateful, condescending, mocking, vulgar behavior and language.
And not surprisingly when engaging them in a discussion they say the same thing many we've encountered here do. Works has nothing to do with salvation. Good deeds has nothing to do whatever with our salvation.

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right

the pendulum swung too far in one direction then swung the other way with the same results

sounds like hyper grace being presented here IMO

David did a lot of bad deeds and the Church of Corinth was far from a stellar example of the righteous life.... having said that there is only one Gospel and one correct response that brings the gift of eternal life...and the gift has no strings attached...but there is chastisement and many "shoulds" but love is not compulsive.

For it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God

Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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Hello throughfaith, why do you continue to move the goalposts in our discussions TULIP was ~not~ part of the topic in your OP, rather, the second half of the Luther/Calvin/Protestant statement, "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone" was. Here is an excerpt from your OP again.


Here again you have singled out "Calvinism" as the lone confessor of what you believe to be a false doctrine, but the doctrine that you are complaining about, that "we are justified by faith alone, but the faith that justifies is never alone", is taught clearly 1. in the Bible, and therefore 2. by us all (IOW, by all of the churches and denominations that are found within the pale of orthodox Christendom).

As I said to you in another one of your threads, I believe that your fight is ~rarely~ against the "boogeyman" that you call Calvinism. RATHER, your fight is against the Bible (and thereby against what is taught by our churches, IOW, what is taught by Christianity, in general, NOT by Calvinism, in particular).

The ENTIRE Christian church/Christianity in general (Protestants/Catholics/Orthodox, etc.) teaches the 2nd half of that quote (that "the faith that justifies is never alone"), NOT Calvinism only.

This is the point that I have been attempting (and clearly failing) to make to you, not that there are no doctrines that are peculiar to Calvinism, but that many of the doctrines that ~you~ have argued against here at CChat, doctrines which you have also claimed to be the ~peculiar~ to Calvinism, are instead the ~common~ belief of Christianity (in general).

Finally, I'm not sure why you believe the word "practicing" causes a problem, so let's take a look. Here is the ESV, which chooses to use the word "practicing" (in 1 John 3), and KJV which does not. As best as I can tell, this comes down to nothing more than "take your pick", because both translations speak against the principle argument that you've had in most of your threads here since the get-go (concerning those who are justified by faith alone never being sanctified).


~Deut
p.s. - while it may be true that there is no "BUT" concerning God's "justification" of us (e.g. John 5:24), there is most definitely an "ALSO", because He "sanctifies" EVERYONE He justifies/saves .. Philippians 1:6, 2:12-13. In fact, He could not have made this fact clearer in the Bible when He told us (through the pen of the Apostle Paul), "This is the will of God, your sanctification......" ~1 Thessalonians 4:3.
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It serves a major disservice to misinterpret a single word by adding to its meaning. As it causes a misapplication of the word. which can lead to false theology

sorrow would be a result of repentance (The word means to change ones thinking, to do an “about face or to the rear march” as we call it in the Military). I do not need to feel sorrow to make this change, I just need to agree with God, and TRUST (have faith) in him

Godly sorrow leads you to repent,not wordly sorrow,that brings death.

I agree but I think Eternally Grateful is hung up on my using the word "sorry". I have never argued that everyone must feel emotionally sorry. One can make a conscience choice to accept the Lord's gift of salvation without FEELING emotion. It must be rare but I wasn't trying to make an issue out of intense weeping sorrow. Just that repentance which is a turning round, a change of heart or mind toward God is exactly the same thing as saying "sorry God".

I don't understand why anyone should be make a big deal over the simple biblical truth & start accusing of "false theology". I told him it served no useful purpose to dissect a word to that degree. But he would have none of it.

A sinner repents. A sinner is saved. In that order. Repentance is not a work.

Math 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Act 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

I agree but I think Eternally Grateful is hung up on my using the word "sorry". I have never argued that everyone must feel emotionally sorry. One can make a conscience choice to accept the Lord's gift of salvation without FEELING emotion. It must be rare but I wasn't trying to make an issue out of intense weeping sorrow. Just that repentance which is a turning round, a change of heart or mind toward God is exactly the same thing as saying "sorry God".

I don't understand why anyone should be make a big deal over the simple biblical truth & start accusing of "false theology". I told him it served no useful purpose to dissect a word to that degree. But he would have none of it.

A sinner repents. A sinner is saved. In that order. Repentance is not a work.

Math 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Act 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Try to get your salvation doctrine from Romans to Philemon instead. Remember God sent his Son to die for you, while you were still his enemy. (Romans 5:8).

All that is required on your part is to believe that he died for your sins and he rose again on the 3rd day, and you are saved.

Is repentance necessary? In a sense, you need to change your mind and believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day. Once you believed that, your sins are automatically forgiven, without you having to repent from them.

I disagree entirely with this utter absurdity. I'm not adding anything to it's meaning or speaking of false theology.
You repent. You get saved. In that order. You can't get saved BEFORE you get saved.

Feeling SORROW is not what I was suggesting.

BEING SORRY. SAYING SORRY, ADMITTING WRONG. TURNING FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
It couldn't be more obvious, more simple, more rudimentary or more Biblically sound.


2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I agree but I think Eternally Grateful is hung up on my using the word "sorry". I have never argued that everyone must feel emotionally sorry. One can make a conscience choice to accept the Lord's gift of salvation without FEELING emotion. It must be rare but I wasn't trying to make an issue out of intense weeping sorrow. Just that repentance which is a turning round, a change of heart or mind toward God is exactly the same thing as saying "sorry God".

I don't understand why anyone should be make a big deal over the simple biblical truth & start accusing of "false theology". I told him it served no useful purpose to dissect a word to that degree. But he would have none of it.

A sinner repents. A sinner is saved. In that order. Repentance is not a work.

Math 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Act 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Try to get your salvation doctrine from Romans to Philemon instead. Remember God sent his Son to die for you, while you were still his enemy. (Romans 5:8).

All that is required on your part is to believe that he died for your sins and he rose again on the 3rd day, and you are saved.

Is repentance necessary? In a sense, you need to change your mind and believe that Jesus died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day. Once you believed that, your sins are automatically forgiven, without you having to repent from them.

It takes more than mere belief,

jesusnsaid we must gnaw on his flesh and drink his blood, (John 6). Just tasting is not enough, it takes true living faith,
so many people think that you just have to feel sorrow (Repent) and say some sinners prayer and magically you are saved, And you go live your life, sadly I believe many who have done that will get a rude awakening one day,