Why do Christians support Trump?

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rastai

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I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
 
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rastai said:
I just can not see any way to support him.
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You can either support Trump or support Satan's agenda for the USA. So the choice is rather simple.

What is planned by the Democrats is the total rejection of the rule of law and the democratic process, and if necessary the overthrow of a duly elected president and rioting and lawlessness without limit. The Constitution will be thrown into the trash without remorse, and totalitarianism and tyranny will prevail. It is already evident (if you have your eyes open).

It is evident from you post that you have believed the enemies of Trump rather than opted for the truth. Hopefully you (and people like yourself) will wake up before it is too late. The choice is between freedom and slavery.
 
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biden has stated that he will lockdown the country for at least 3 months and sign a mask mandate.

so, if that is what someone wants , then vote for him......
 
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rastai said:
I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
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Honestly I think you've drank the liberal mainstream media koolaid. The way you're representing Trump is the same way CNN does: they stretch the truth and just make things up to suit a negative stereotype narrative. I think maybe you genuinely believe the words you typed on the screen, with a good conscience, and fully convinced of their truth. I'm saying you're wrong.

I, however, think Trump is doing a good job. I know the media has vastly overexaggerated his real or perceived shortcomings. We are in an election year and the anti-Trump rhetoric will only increase the closer we get to his victory. The converse is true, his opponents will have a lot of dirt dug up on them; some of that dirt on his political opponents may be false.

The bigger question is how could a Christian vote for a Democrat who is pro-abortion? Who do you suggest Christians vote for?
 
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Honestly I think you've drank the liberal mainstream media koolaid. The way you're representing Trump is the same way CNN does: they stretch the truth and just make things up to suit a negative stereotype narrative. I think maybe you genuinely believe the words you typed on the screen, with a good conscience, and fully convinced of their truth. I'm saying you're wrong.

I, however, think Trump is doing a good job. I know the media has vastly overexaggerated his real or perceived shortcomings. We are in an election year and the anti-Trump rhetoric will only increase the closer we get to his victory. The converse is true, his opponents will have a lot of dirt dug up on them; some of that dirt on his political opponents may be false.

The bigger question is how could a Christian vote for a Democrat who is pro-abortion? Who do you suggest Christians vote for?
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I am not pro abortion and I still plan on voting a straight democratic ticket. I am of the opinion that Democrat policies such as more assistance for the poor will have a much greater impact on abortion then criminalizing it. And even if I agreed with criminalization of abortion, I would not give up every other freedom and right for that. If Hitler was against abortion, I still would vote for the other guy. I see the current president as completely lawless, he disregards all life. I don't really know about CNN. I just look at the truth and form my own opinion. The truth is he condones murder, he lies constantly. CNN may have an agenda but so does this president. CNN's agenda is to their shareholders, I would imagine. Trump's agenda is to Satan himself. So I am 100 % voting for the Joe Biden, an actual Christian, despite his misgivings. I think God is afflicting us with these terrible things right now because of our own sins. We need to start caring about the environment that God gave us dominion of. It is like he put us in charge of his house and we are just trashing it.

I see the media, mostly, vastly underexaggerating his misdeeds. He admitted he lied to us about the pandemic to not cause panic. That makes no sense. If he had been honest, we could have saved many thousands of lives and our economy would be in much better shape. So yes I think Joe will be better for the issues I care about: the environment, the economy, the moral standing of our country and yes even abortion. I will not support who is see as the most anti christian president in this country's history. I think Christians need to see through him and realize that whatever he may be doing that you like is not worth the price. It is a deal with the devil.
 
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I am not pro abortion and I still plan on voting a straight democratic ticket. I am of the opinion that Democrat policies such as more assistance for the poor will have a much greater impact on abortion then criminalizing it. And even if I agreed with criminalization of abortion, I would not give up every other freedom and right for that. If Hitler was against abortion, I still would vote for the other guy. I see the current president as completely lawless, he disregards all life. I don't really know about CNN. I just look at the truth and form my own opinion. The truth is he condones murder, he lies constantly. CNN may have an agenda but so does this president. CNN's agenda is to their shareholders, I would imagine. Trump's agenda is to Satan himself. So I am 100 % voting for the Joe Biden, an actual Christian, despite his misgivings. I think God is afflicting us with these terrible things right now because of our own sins. We need to start caring about the environment that God gave us dominion of. It is like he put us in charge of his house and we are just trashing it.

I see the media, mostly, vastly underexaggerating his misdeeds. He admitted he lied to us about the pandemic to not cause panic. That makes no sense. If he had been honest, we could have saved many thousands of lives and our economy would be in much better shape. So yes I think Joe will be better for the issues I care about: the environment, the economy, the moral standing of our country and yes even abortion. I will not support who is see as the most anti christian president in this country's history. I think Christians need to see through him and realize that whatever he may be doing that you like is not worth the price. It is a deal with the devil.
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Then you have an anti-Trump bias and don't understand Christian ideals very well. The modern democrat ideology that Biden espouses are diametrically opposed to Christian ideas of morality, freedom, and fairness.

Biden is:
-pro-abortion
-pro-reparations for descendents of people who were never slaves or slave owners
-soft on drug abuse
-totally inept on economic subjects
-shows unfair preference to certain people
-anti-second amendment
-pro-illegal immigration
-pro-recreational marijuana use
-pro-first amendment censorship on social media
-pro-China
-anti-American

I literally went to Biden's website and went through all of his policies. You're free to go check.
 
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@rastai while I welcome disagreements, using the disagree button without offering a rebuttal does not enhance the conversation you initiated about politics. It does not tell me what you're disagreeing with or why. In fact, none of what I said is disagreeable. You should be a good sport and tell me why or cede that you were wrong. Otherwise, it's just intellectual laziness.
 
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@rastai Mainstream evangelicals are mainly voting for Trump because for whatever reason, he is pro-Israel. They feel a vote against Trump is a vote against 'the apple of God's eye'. This one factor sways me to Trump but I also see your valid points.
Re abortion I have heard Republicans say they use it as a voting tool and Roe v Wade was voted in by a Rep Court.
You have the right to follow your conscience as this is still a free country. God bless you!
 
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rastai said:
I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
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It is not that ALL who might vote for Trump support him as much as Bidden and the Democrats must not win and implement their policies that will surely lead to total disaster for the country.
I did not vote for Trump or Hillary in 2016 but will this year because Bidden must not be allow to win.

Do not allow the left wing press to deceive you about Bidden and the Democratic party.
They have been taken over by a bunch of loonies bent on destroying our way of life.
If they win, you can forget about living a life for Christ.
It will be their way or no way.
 
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Which period of time in the past are they referring to "Make America Great Again" - (MAGA)? What era are they trying to replicate?
 
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I was going to post but "NotmebutHim"... makes a joke about it.

Since your judging based on only what you see and hear then you can put my name with President Trumps. I praise God He sees my heart. Ask some preachers that have been with President Trump and ask.. how many times when they prayed for him was he crying. That speaks volumes
 
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rastai said:
I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
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Start looking at Trump as the president of the United States of America. There are “rules” one has to abide in that “game”. All is connected to eachother and everything you say can be pulled out of context to be used against you. It’s like walking a minefield and you have agreements to fulfill to parnters. To restore an economy one has to be loyal to his partners and might do things not all voters may like.
rastai said:
I am not pro abortion and I still plan on voting a straight democratic ticket. I am of the opinion that Democrat policies such as more assistance for the poor will have a much greater impact on abortion then criminalizing it. And even if I agreed with criminalization of abortion, I would not give up every other freedom and right for that. If Hitler was against abortion, I still would vote for the other guy. I see the current president as completely lawless, he disregards all life. I don't really know about CNN. I just look at the truth and form my own opinion. The truth is he condones murder, he lies constantly. CNN may have an agenda but so does this president. CNN's agenda is to their shareholders, I would imagine. Trump's agenda is to Satan himself. So I am 100 % voting for the Joe Biden, an actual Christian, despite his misgivings. I think God is afflicting us with these terrible things right now because of our own sins. We need to start caring about the environment that God gave us dominion of. It is like he put us in charge of his house and we are just trashing it.

I see the media, mostly, vastly underexaggerating his misdeeds. He admitted he lied to us about the pandemic to not cause panic. That makes no sense. If he had been honest, we could have saved many thousands of lives and our economy would be in much better shape. So yes I think Joe will be better for the issues I care about: the environment, the economy, the moral standing of our country and yes even abortion. I will not support who is see as the most anti christian president in this country's history. I think Christians need to see through him and realize that whatever he may be doing that you like is not worth the price. It is a deal with the devil.
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Why are the poor poor rastaii? Did you know becoming “rich” is a lifestyle you adopt in childhood? One can copy his surrounding or one can differ.
Do you know Warren Buffet?
 
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rastai said:
I just can not see any way to support him. Ok, so we are all sinners and of course he has sinned plenty. I do not see him repenting of anything. He condoned the the brutal murder of Jamal Khashoggi. He has numerous close ties to organized crime, e admitted in recently released audio that he knew Covid 19 was dangerous and airborne. He admitted to lying and said he did not want to cause panic. But he is constantly trying to cause panic by exaggerating threats from migrants and exaggerating Democrats as being radical, instilling unnecessary fear. Besides, if he spoke to the public the way he spoke to Woodward, it would have saved many lives and possibly alleviated the economic crisis. I see him being anti-Christian in everything he does as says. Michael Cohen's book quotes him saying about Christians faith, "Can you believe that bulls...?" From my pint of view he hates God, hates Christians, hates America and humanity. I hope no Christian will vote for him this go around.
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I am surprised that you need to ask that question. Supporting Trump is supporting the lesser of two evils. If you support the other side what will you get? Here are a few things to consider......

One. The death of millions of babies in the womb as they open the floodgates to abortion. is that what you want?
Two. Giving into every demand of homosexuals who will do all they can to have Christian beliefs banned from society. Is that what you want?
Three. They will make the truth an optional extra so anyone can say anything and it is OK. Is that what you want?
Four. They will wreck the economy because they will give handouts to anyone who wants one. Is that what you want?
Five. The borders will leak like a sieve and you will be flooded with illegal immigrants. Is that what you want?
Six. Those with money will be called on to finance those without money through taxes. Is that what you want?
Seven. Law and Order will go down the drain because the victim will become the bad guy. Is that what you want?
Eight. BLM will be given special status and they will be allowed to protest how and when they want. Is that what you want?
Nine. Joe Biden will quietly be retired so that the communist VP can take over and turn the country into a Marxist dictatorship. Is that what you want?
Ten. America will be withdrawn from helping others under threat so they become prey to people like China and Russia. Is that what you want?

I don't want any of those things to happen so I would not vote for Biden if he was the last man on earth.
 
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Donald Trump is not a Christian, although he does speak of GOD. But, Cyrus was not a follower of Yahweh when he freed the Jews in accordance to Isaiah 45. President Trump is an imperfect secular politician who loves America, and has taken a strong stance against Socialism. That is the reason to choose him over Joe Biden who sold America down the river years ago.
 
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Why do Christians support Trump? Probably because he is the strongest pro-life political candidate that I have seen in my lifetime. His acute business sense and practices has brought a certain measure of prosperity and stability to millions. He has a no-nonsense approach to junk science regarding climate change. He doesn't coddle the criminal element like the Democrats who condone violent activity and seem to actively promote it. Now they want to defund police departments across the US. Perhaps one of the most important reasons is that he has turned the US Armed Forces into an insurmountable fighting force defending the US Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.
 
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Scott_Fisher said:
Donald Trump is not a Christian, although he does speak of GOD. But, Cyrus was not a follower of Yahweh when he freed the Jews in accordance to Isaiah 45. President Trump is an imperfect secular politician who loves America, and has taken a strong stance against Socialism. That is the reason to choose him over Joe Biden who sold America down the river years ago.
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Trump is not a Christian? Well, he certainly isn't a radical Muslim like Obama who was constantly apologizing for America's past. It is known that Trump always leads cabinet meetings with a prayer. He is also adamant in his support of protecting the lives of the unborn and those mere seconds from being born.
 
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