Three Gods or one? Explain the Trinity.

And He is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit..mentioned many times in the REST of the Bible. .- Jn.14:23 & Jn.17:3 & Jn.14:26 & Jn.6:44 & Rom.8:14 & Acts 2:3-4 & Mt.3:16-17

One God, just ONE: His Will (expressed as his OWN will, purpose, and intent. That headship referred to as "The Father". Next, are his own Words, the very expression of his own will, "The Word", (which words are SUBJECT TO the speaker), (The Father). Lastly, the Holy CHARACTER of God, is contained in his OWN Spirit, namely the "Holy Spirit". Each function of God the Father, is subject to his own will. Genesis 1: 2,3. Here we see the Spirit OF God moving upon the face of the water, and the Father giving commandments. Note from verse 3 throughout the verses in which God SAID; His own words, that accomplished his creative WILL. Again, the Trinity is of ONE person, but revealed by 3 attributes of Himself: His will, His words, and His character of Holiness.

I believe two things given to me from Scripture
1. GOD says Christ is His Son so, I believe GOD.
2. Christ says GOD is His Father so, I believe Christ.
For me that's it
If I refute these things above I am calling GOD and His Christ Liars
I do not know all the Mysteries of GOD and I'm not meant to Know them.
GOD tells us His thoughts are not our thoughts and His ways are not our ways, that's enough for me because I am no more than a humble servant to GOD and His Christ.
All who are of the Body of Christ are to be of one mind and that is the mind of GOD through His Holy Spirit.

No. One God in three PERSONS not three attributes. You do not refer to yourself and to your attributes as "WE." Neither does God! God always refers to God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit as.. "we." In John's baptism they saw God the Son.. they saw God the Holy Spirit..and they heard God the Father. Not "attributes."

Yes. The One God within 3 Divine Persons wants all Christians to "be of ONE mind, thinking alike." So..do you have any ideas on how to end the many divisions between Catholic and Protestant..Protestant and Protestant? Beginning with the Reformation we had hundreds of new Denominations not thinking alike until today we have thousands! They can not all agree on ONE Christian doctrine! I believe that Jesus foresaw our divisions when He prayed.. "Father, that they may be ONE..so that the world may believe that the Father has sent the Son." (Jn.17:20-22) Does the world believe that the Father has sent the Son? Satan's most successful strategy to prevail against the Church has been to divide us. Satan wants to divide us religiously and now white against black..and free into communist..

Perhaps some clarity here. It would seem the main stumbling block is that Jesus is a "member" of the Trinity, which of course he is. But what most do not seem to grasp is John 1: 14 wherein the verse tells us that the word(s) of God were made flesh. Therefore, Jesus is God's words but in a flesh form. Again, there are not three Gods, but as the scripture teaches, just one. This God is revealed as the head or WILL, his WORDS, the essence of his truth, and his SPIRIT, which represents his character of Holiness. When Jesus said "My Father is greater than I", he was referring to the fact that the will is greater than the words spoken, as the words follow what the speaker wills to convey. Another place Jesus says "I and my Father are one", that is, they are in concert, or unity to the will of the Father.

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 4, 14, 18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus is the word of the three in heaven , when he was born a man the word had been made flesh who we now know is Jesus Christ the son of God.

in the Old Testament God was hidden from mans view in a dark pillar of cloud and fire no one really saw what he was actually like . Jesus shows us what was inside the dark cloud he is God revealed in the form of a man. Because that’s the only way we could know him .

notice the change from “ the father the word and the Holy Ghost “

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That name is Jesus

The word who was God in heaven was revealed in the flesH though he is God he made himself subject as we are . Became one of us in order to save us

There’s prophecy and psalms about God looking down from the heavens and seeing that there was no man who understood no counselor to teach and no savior to save his people

so there’s a very Elequent vision of him Stepping off the throne and dressing in his garments to intercede for mankind himself .

I can’t recall I’ll find it tomorrow .

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

There are three things that make the essence of God who is not a man. Its something I have been looking at, another kind of trinity .

Three is used to represent end to the matter. Nothing can be added to it or taken away form it.

God is Light. God is Spirit. God is Love.

Again he is not a man . He is not part of first part of the the record of three below But is part of the second three. The Son of man Jesus had no power .When Jesus the apostle would rebuke the spirt of error the father gave him the words. . . three times as "it" is written .The one source of faith "it". . . . and the devil would flee.

1 John5:7-9 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Two groups of three as one. the eternal and the temporal

The Son of God Jesus bore the witness of men. The witness the father was working in him not the power is not accredited to the son of man earthen body of death . We walk by faith the unseen eternal

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

"Another kind of trinity"... there's a large red flag. You are attempting to redefine a word that has a very specific meaning in Christian theology. Bad idea.

Where is that stated in Scripture?

Where is it stated that "the father gave him the words"? That's not in my Bible, and I suspect it's not in yours either.

"As it is written" is simply referring to the already-written word of God. There is no esoteric meaning to the word, "it".

So you are saying that God is not part of "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost" but that God is part of "the Spirit, and the water, and the blood"? Do you ever read over your comments before posting them?

Again, you really need a better understanding of English grammar. The above is meaningless word salad.

The trinity is a tradition of men my trinity offering can be proven. God is not a man..

God is Light .God is Spirit. God is light.

Sure it is .Did you mix faith ? Who do you think rebuked Satan if the father did not give his apostle Jesus his words ?

Speaking to Peter directed to unseen spirit of lies that worked in Peter. The Lord rebuked Satan. Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man .The Son of man had no power but in effect said. . the Lord (not seen) rebukes you . Get behind me not seen, not Peter seen The Son of man Jesus would never claim to be the one Good Master . The lord not seen does the rebuking of the father of lies .

Is that your hope? Did you try mixing faith (the unseen eternal) The it points to the unseen faith the eternal .as it is written. Not as it as it is orally transmitted as the things of men


Do you ever mix faith in what your hear coming from the word of God? No mixing no gospel understanding (Hebrew 4:1-4)


Yes I did read. it is not what you offered that is not what I said or meant. And yes two different witnesses that of God not seen both represented by three . the witness that seen the temporal represented by three things according to what the eyes see the temporal .

Two separate groups of three .The witness of God not seen understood by faith and that of men, seen, the literal . The witness of God is the greater the one with power.

Thanks. It should of read. The witness of the father was working in the Son of man. The power is not accredited to the Son of man' earthen body of death .

What applies to his earthen body applies to ours. No need to wonder.and doubt Just believe prophecy as it is written.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.[/QUOTE]

The "traditional" trinity can be proven as well. You are using a word with a well-established and widely accepted meaning and giving it your own personal definition. Nobody is claiming that God is a man. I have told you that many times, but for some strange reason you just don't get it.

Jesus Himself did.

Word salad.

Jesus is Lord. It says so clearly and directly in 1 Corinthians 12:3. The Bible also calls Jesus "Lord" in many other places...

Matthew 12:8; Matthew 22:43; Mark 5:19; Mark 16:19; Luke 1:43; Luke 2:11; Luke 7:13; Luke 7:19; Luke 10:1; Luke 10:39; Luke 10:41; Luke 11:39; Luke 12:42; Luke 13:15; Luke 17:5; Luke 18:6; Luke 19:8; Luke 22:61; Luke 24:3; John 6:23; John 11:2; John 20:20; John 21:12.

That's all just from the gospel accounts, and excludes all the instances where other people call Jesus "Lord" and He doesn't correct them!

If that isn't enough, here are Jesus' own words from John 13:

12 When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet.

Stop diminishing the Lord Jesus Christ and start worshipping Him!

No, Jesus Himself rebuked Satan. He could do so because He is Lord.

That's silly. I understand basic English grammar; you do not.

Actually, that is exactly what you said. Here are your exact words: "He is not part of first part of the the record of three below But is part of the second three" ... as in "God is not part of 'the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost". Utter folly!

The word, "it" is simply a pronoun referring to another noun. In your sentence here, the noun is "prophecy". In the case of Jesus' statements to the devil in the desert, "it" refers to the words written in the book of Deuteronomy. There is nothing special about the word, "it"; it is merely a part of speech. Again, basic English grammar. Take a class.

Finally you agree God is not a man. Not in any shape or form. Jesus as Lord has nothing to do with the corrupted flesh he inherited from his mother. Faith the unseen eternal comes by hearing the understanding as it is written. Not by looking at the temporal thing seen .

Was Jesus the Son of man a Apostle sent with prophecy ? Did his father our heavenly father of all believers as apostles give Jesus words to say? Or did he come to do the will of the flesh?

It identifies the source of faith. It can be in any book not just Deuteronomy . It as it is written is the law of faith. . They are the word the father put on the lips of Jesus the apostle it made the devil disappear . . It as it is written performs its work of faith to both will and do His good pleasure. Its the same faith (not of our own selves) the apologist defends . It protects us .He gives us the Armor. .

When God placed his words on the mouth of Donkey . The power of His word , as it is written worked to stop the madness of the false prophet Balaam.

Remember God is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases . Act 17 informs us by faith that God is not served by the hands of a corrupted creation (philosophers) They have no circular reasoning as a law that cannot be broken .As it is written,. He does the moving of men as he by faith works to both will and do his good pleasure. Some murmur like Jonas other like Jesus did it Joyfully . Men do not move Him.

Acts17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

That verse is clear and conclusive, three separate unique entities that comprise one God.

Finally? Dude, I've only told you that about ten times. Nobody, including me, is claiming that God is a mere man. However, Jesus is God, was God, and will always be God. Read John 1. Who is the Word? It's Jesus. What does John say about the Word? That the Word was God. Jesus is God.

Wow. What bible do you read? I listed 25 references just in the gospels where Jesus in the flesh is identified AS Lord. Did you read any of them?

You present those two options as though they are the only possibilities. They aren't.

Your understanding of Scripture is limited by your ignorance of English grammar. Instead of learning, you invent weird ideas and argue them as though they are biblically sound and consistent. They aren't.

You still don't understand what "circular reasoning" is. It would be better if you didn't use the term at all.

If only we could all accept that then address other subjects the same way

do you know what I was just noticing recently ? once we accept a verse like that part that you stated as truth there you can notice really cool things in the Old Testament

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son.

And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom:

and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:9-10, 16-17, 20-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭19:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there are examples of different kinds like this through scripture. And then when Jesus is transfigured you see three men . When he is resurrected there are two men dressed in white witnessing his resurrection . When he ascends up there are two men in white saying important things about Jesus always

“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


My point is and so sorry for such length all of scripture has the same witness as that simple verse it seems it’s hard to see in the beginning until you come to a conclusion through the revelation of the New Testament looking back

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God was manifest in the flesh,”

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God......And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you believe Jesus is the son of God , then you believe God loves us enough to become one of us and die for our sins and then if you believe scripture the rest of that mystery of Paul’s There is found in the gospel

God became a man because he loves us and a man has to die for a mans sins. Jesus was perfect so death had no claim upon him . It only has claim upon sinners.

if we had died for our sins our souls would have died all together and our bodies could never be resurrected because ironically Gods word is immutable.

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

sin is a death sentence , that’s why Jesus came as a man and had to die to save our souls “ propitiation”

Yes God who is not a man . His will was manifested in the flesh .Not in respect to the corrupted flesh. The flesh under the judgement of God has no power .

The power of God is manifest in the flesh of all believers. What applies to the apostles jeus works in everyone. ye jesu was without sin

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Well you certainly have the right to believe as you choose , God bless no hard feelings or anything

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.