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Derek1955

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THINGS HAPPEN...

In Luke 13: 1-9 we are told by Christ, 'There were present at that season some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.'

With this story Jesus explains that those who survive tragedies are in no way more virtuous than those who do not. He calls everyone to repent because sudden death could happen to any of us at any time. Jesus also cautioned his hearers not to blame great sufferers, as if they were great sinners for no place on earth can keep us secure from mortal death. When others are suddenly removed we should consider it to be a warning to ourselves for God does not guarantee that we will have time to prepare for death, (Matthew 25:1-13) so now is always the time for repentance.

Christ used this story to give a call to repentance and the same Jesus that bids us repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, (Matthew 3:2) (Matthew 4:17) also bids us repent, for otherwise we shall perish. (Luke 13:3)
 
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Derek1955 said:
THINGS HAPPEN...

In Luke 13: 1-9 we are told by Christ, 'There were present at that season some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.'

With this story Jesus explains that those who survive tragedies are in no way more virtuous than those who do not. He calls everyone to repent because sudden death could happen to any of us at any time. Jesus also cautioned his hearers not to blame great sufferers, as if they were great sinners for no place on earth can keep us secure from mortal death. When others are suddenly removed we should consider it to be a warning to ourselves for God does not guarantee that we will have time to prepare for death, (Matthew 25:1-13) so now is always the time for repentance.

Christ used this story to give a call to repentance and the same Jesus that bids us repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, (Matthew 3:2) (Matthew 4:17) also bids us repent, for otherwise we shall perish. (Luke 13:3)
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I think all the verses you mention is towards Israel not gentiles in 2020
 
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throughfaith said:
I think all the verses you mention is towards Israel not gentiles in 2020
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So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that modern day gentiles don't need to repent? That's what the verses OP cited are about: repentance and not assuming that if someone dies in an undignified way that they were wrong with God.
 
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So, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that modern day gentiles don't need to repent? That's what the verses OP cited are about: repentance and not assuming that if someone dies in an undignified way that they were wrong with God.
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The context of all those verses are to Jews . We can't always make every verse apply as if its speaking to us . There's a context to who and what the speaker is addressing.
 
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Derek1955 said:
THINGS HAPPEN...

In Luke 13: 1-9 we are told by Christ, 'There were present at that season some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.'

With this story Jesus explains that those who survive tragedies are in no way more virtuous than those who do not. He calls everyone to repent because sudden death could happen to any of us at any time. Jesus also cautioned his hearers not to blame great sufferers, as if they were great sinners for no place on earth can keep us secure from mortal death. When others are suddenly removed we should consider it to be a warning to ourselves for God does not guarantee that we will have time to prepare for death, (Matthew 25:1-13) so now is always the time for repentance.

Christ used this story to give a call to repentance and the same Jesus that bids us repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, (Matthew 3:2) (Matthew 4:17) also bids us repent, for otherwise we shall perish. (Luke 13:3)
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Very few understand Isaiah 57:1-2.

Job said, "somethings are too wonderful for our understanding."
 
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Derek1955 said:
THINGS HAPPEN...

In Luke 13: 1-9 we are told by Christ, 'There were present at that season some that told him of the Galileans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galileans were sinners above all the Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.'

With this story Jesus explains that those who survive tragedies are in no way more virtuous than those who do not. He calls everyone to repent because sudden death could happen to any of us at any time. Jesus also cautioned his hearers not to blame great sufferers, as if they were great sinners for no place on earth can keep us secure from mortal death. When others are suddenly removed we should consider it to be a warning to ourselves for God does not guarantee that we will have time to prepare for death, (Matthew 25:1-13) so now is always the time for repentance.

Christ used this story to give a call to repentance and the same Jesus that bids us repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand, (Matthew 3:2) (Matthew 4:17) also bids us repent, for otherwise we shall perish. (Luke 13:3)
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Does a Child of God have a hedge of protection around them? Why is there no record in the bible that "Job" children were saved after Satan killed them (were they Righteous)? Does everything that happens to a Child of God first must pass through Our Heavenly Father?
 
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The context of all those verses are to Jews . We can't always make every verse apply as if its speaking to us . There's a context to who and what the speaker is addressing.
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People in Galilee (the Galileans) are a primarily gentile people. The people of Jerusalem are primarily Jewish. While it is true that some things apply to Jews while having nothing to do with gentiles, in this case it is not the case. The gentiles have to repent, too, because Jesus is a world savior for all people.

Matthew 4:13-16

13 And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, 14 so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled:
15 “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 the people dwelling in darkness
have seen a great light,
and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death,
on them a light has dawned.”

The text quoted above also references Isaiah 9 in case you want to look into it a little more.
 
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Runningman said:
People in Galilee (the Galileans) are a primarily gentile people. The people of Jerusalem are primarily Jewish. While it is true that some things apply to Jews while having nothing to do with gentiles, in this case it is not the case. The gentiles have to repent, too, because Jesus is a world savior for all people.

Matthew 4:13-16

13 And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, 14 so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled:
15 “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 the people dwelling in darkness
have seen a great light,
and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death,
on them a light has dawned.”
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I'm simply saying which verse applies ? every verse ?
 
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The OP was using a Biblical illustration to further describe what repentance looks like. Jew and Gentile seem to be in need. Are you saying Jewish repentance looks different than that of the Gentile?
 
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Runningman said:
People in Galilee (the Galileans) are a primarily gentile people. The people of Jerusalem are primarily Jewish. While it is true that some things apply to Jews while having nothing to do with gentiles, in this case it is not the case. The gentiles have to repent, too, because Jesus is a world savior for all people.

Matthew 4:13-16

13 And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, 14 so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled:
15 “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali,
the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 the people dwelling in darkness
have seen a great light,
and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death,
on them a light has dawned.”

The text quoted above also references Isaiah 9 in case you want to look into it a little more.
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the people dwelling in darkness
have seen a great light";, which people you me ? gentiles in 2020 ?
 
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Sipsey said:
The OP was using a Biblical illustration to further describe what repentance looks like. Jew and Gentile seem to be in need. Are you saying Jewish repentance looks different than that of the Gentile?
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Depends on who and from what there needs to be a change of mind .
 
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Sipsey said:
The OP was using a Biblical illustration to further describe what repentance looks like. Jew and Gentile seem to be in need. Are you saying Jewish repentance looks different than that of the Gentile?
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from what I understood he is saying we all need to repent whether Jew or gentile . It’s a matter of perishing but I could have read it wrong
 
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throughfaith said:
Some folks apply the verse as if they all speak to them personally.
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Do you think there are parts of Scripture that you can learn nothing from? All verses have one primary meaning, but many applications.
 
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Sipsey said:
Do you think there are parts of Scripture that you can learn nothing from? All verses have one primary meaning, but many applications.
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Amen wisdom from God if we believe
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
Very few understand Isaiah 57:1-2.

Job said, "somethings are too wonderful for our understanding."
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My wife and I just finished reading the book of Job. I found it to be a fascinating case study of the virtues of patience and perseverance. I think that this was my 6th or 7th reading of that book. I found it interesting that in the end God doubled everything that he had. He even doubled the children because if everything was doubled that would mean that Job would one day see his first 10 children who died in the beginning of the book. I thought that his wife was not very understanding though telling him to curse God and die. Obvious, she did not have the same level of faith that Job had.
 
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THE CONSECRATION OF THE SAINT

“12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself put not forth your hand. So Satan went forth from the Presence of the LORD. (There were limitations placed on what Satan could do, as there are with all Believers. Concerning this, Williams says: “Job does not symbolize an unconverted, but a converted, man. It was necessary that one of God’s children should be chosen for this trial; for the subject of the Book is not the conversion of the sinner, but the consecration of the Saint. It is evident that an unconverted man needs to be brought to the end of himself; but that a man who feared God, who was perfect, and who hated evil should also need this is not so clear.

“We find in this Book that God uses Satan, calamity, and sickness to be His instruments in creating character and making men partakers of His Holiness. Such were the instruments; but the Hand that used them was God’s; and the facts of this Book explain to Christian people, who, like Job, are conscious of personal integrity, why calamities, sorrows, and diseases are permitted to afflict them.”)” Job 1:12

“22 Confirming the souls of the Disciples (pertained to the new converts in these areas), and exhorting them to continue in the Faith (it is not he who begins, but he who finishes), and that we must through much tribulation enter into the Kingdom of God (quite a different Message than that being presently proposed).” Acts14:22

Until the time came to fulfill his dreams, the LORD tested Joseph’s character. (Regarding the mission that God had for Joseph, which Joseph was not even aware of, he would have to be put to the test. Faith must be tested, and great Faith must be tested greatly.)” Psalm 105:19 NLT

“10 Behold, I have refined you, but not with silver; I have chosen you in the furnace of affliction. (Israel was “refined” in Egypt, and was to be “refined” after Isaiah’s day in Babylon, and will be “refined” during the coming Great Tribulation. The “furnace of affliction” always has to do with wrongdoing on the part of the individual or nation. The Lord allows the affliction, hopefully, that it will bring the person or nation to Repentance! Consequently, Israel still has one great “furnace of affliction” to go through!)” Isaiah 48:10

“7 That the trial of your Faith (all Faith is tested, and great Faith must be tested greatly), being much more precious than of gold that perishes (the emphasis is the testing of our Faith to show whether or not it is genuine; the Holy Spirit says such is more precious than the testing of gold, which is the most precious commodity in the world; is our Faith really in the Cross or not?), though it be tried with fire (the fire of temptation, trouble, etc.; such are meant to show the weakness), might be found unto Praise and Honour and Glory (which can only be done if the Cross of Christ is the sole Object of our Faith) at the appearing of Jesus Christ (we are being prepared by the Holy Spirit as fit subjects for the appearing of our Lord, as it regards the Rapture):” 1 Peter 1:7

JSM

The loss of property is one thing; however, the loss of one's family is something else altogether. Why did the Lord allow the latter (Job children)?
 
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