The Natural Man

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throughfaith said:
I think that you've invested everything in the ' natural man ' being ' man without the Holy Spirit ' its hard to see anything else.
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And you sir, have attempted the opposite. Trying to give him a spiritual understanding. id thid about people who have spiritual understanding?

Rom_11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Are we to understand, that these "natural" branches were like babes in Christ? They had rudimentary spiritual understanding?

NO, these are obviously, unchosen Jews that were caught off, contrasted with spiritually believing people. In this case mostly Gentiles.
 
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awelight said:
And you sir, have attempted the opposite. Trying to give him a spiritual understanding. id thid about people who have spiritual understanding?

Rom_11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Are we to understand, that these "natural" branches were like babes in Christ? They had rudimentary spiritual understanding?

NO, these are obviously, unchosen Jews that were caught off, contrasted with spiritually believing people. In this case mostly Gentiles.
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spiritual understanding?
awelight said:
And you sir, have attempted the opposite. Trying to give him a spiritual understanding. id thid about people who have spiritual understanding?

Rom_11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Are we to understand, that these "natural" branches were like babes in Christ? They had rudimentary spiritual understanding?

NO, these are obviously, unchosen Jews that were caught off, contrasted with spiritually believing people. In this case mostly Gentiles.
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Thats a completely different tangent.
 
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throughfaith said:
spiritual understanding?

Thats a completely different tangent.
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No it's not, it goes to the use of the word NATURAL.

Again, were the ones cut off, from the Jews, spiritual natural men or natural men who were not Israel?
 
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awelight said:
No it's not, it goes to the use of the word NATURAL.

Again, were the ones cut off, from the Jews, spiritual natural men or natural men who were not Israel?
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Why were they punished by being cut off ?
 
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A couple of thoughts to ponder on this Lord's Day.

For those who do not think that salvation is the free Grace of God. God plus nothing.

Ponder these two statements, if you will:


-- When a man teaches that Salvation is a cooperation between God and man......It is like teaching that the clay is in cooperation with the potter, as to how it will be formed.


-- Philosophers say: Free Grace makes man nothing more than a mere puppet on a string.....But the recipients of Grace reply, This is better than making God a puppet on a string, of man's free will.
 
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Duskey said:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. ~ Romans 1:18-19
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Rom 1:18 has reference to disobedient children of God. Eph 5:6 will harmonize with Rom 1:18. Let no man deceive you with vain words; for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE.

Welcome to the understanding of the total depravity of the flesh of man by his nature.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
It says "indeed he CANNOT (zero spirituality) discern the things of the Spirit.
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Yes and I know belivers today that cannot discern the THINGS of the Spirit . Why ? well read on brother ...
1¶And I, brethren, could not speak ( well what do we have here ? ) unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were ⁷not able ( what was that ? not able) to bear it, neither yet are you now able ( what was that again ? THEY ARE NOT YET ABLE . AGAIN . THEY ARE NOT...ABLE !!!!!
Why ? because they are spiritually discerned . Not because they are not saved ,they clearly are believers . But just like Hebrews 5 , some believers are yet unable to discern the THINGS ( what things ? Read 1 cor 2 .6 ) of the Spirit unless they stop being Carnal ( or stop believing in Calvinism )
Hebrews 5 ( same context )
11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12¶For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Its not automatic. Paul wants to speak the THINGS ( VERSE 6 ) he can speak amoung the mature . They Are able to bear the meat .
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Rom 1:18 has reference to disobedient children of God. Eph 5:6 will harmonize with Rom 1:18. Let no man deceive you with vain words; for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE.

Welcome to the understanding of the total depravity of the flesh of man by his nature.
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Believe me, I don’t let calvinists deceive me with vain words. God’s wrath will be upon them.
 
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Duskey said:
Believe me, I don’t let calvinists deceive me with vain words. God’s wrath will be upon them.
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It is no small thing to make God a liar and in doing so change His very nature.
 
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EleventhHour said:
It is no small thing to make God a liar and in doing so change His very nature.
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Saying world doesn’t mean world and such sentiments harmonize with other word manipulations takes the cake. Tired of dealing with such heretical nonsense.
 
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awelight said:
Most know the best one for this.

Eph 2:8-10 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not of works, that no man should glory. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God beforehand prepared that we should walk in them.

Albert Barnes did a good and fair job of explaining here, so I will turn it over to him:
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Apostle Paul did a commentary which is given by inspiration here, so I will turn it over him: The Gift of God is...


Romans 6:23

King James Version



23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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throughfaith said:
Yes and I know belivers today that cannot discern the THINGS of the Spirit . Why ? well read on brother ...
1¶And I, brethren, could not speak ( well what do we have here ? ) unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were ⁷not able ( what was that ? not able) to bear it, neither yet are you now able ( what was that again ? THEY ARE NOT YET ABLE . AGAIN . THEY ARE NOT...ABLE !!!!!
Why ? because they are spiritually discerned . Not because they are not saved ,they clearly are believers . But just like Hebrews 5 , some believers are yet unable to discern the THINGS ( what things ? Read 1 cor 2 .6 ) of the Spirit unless they stop being Carnal ( or stop believing in Calvinism )
Hebrews 5 ( same context )
11Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12¶For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Its not automatic. Paul wants to speak the THINGS ( VERSE 6 ) he can speak amoung the mature . They Are able to bear the meat .
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Do I really have to keep explaining this over and over again in every thread that you start?
 
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