Do we have the right to JUDGE?

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BenAvraham

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PARASHAH: “Shoftim” (judges)

DEUT: 16:18: -21:9……… ISAIAH 51:12-52:12…… JOHN 1:1-57


This parashah starts off with; “Judges (shoftim) and officers shalt thou make thee at thy gates, which YHVH thy Elohim giveth thee…. they shall judge the people with “righteous judgment…” Many people when they think of the word “judge” they think of the elderly man or woman with the black robe in the courtroom who points a finger and dishes out a prison sentence, a sentence that condemns a criminal who is standing before said, judge. While it is true that the word “judge” can mean to issue or decide a sentence that could condemn, in the Hebrew, it also means one who “knows, teaches, and decides issues related to the Torah”.

A “shofet” was someone like a Torah teacher, but the job not only included making plain the teachings of Adonai through His Torah, but the “shofet” also rendered decisions based on God’s Holy Writ. Today, there are “shoftim” in every Bible-based church, synagogue, congregation, Torah study group, etc., perhaps we do not call them “shoftim” or “judges” we just call them “rabbis, pastors, Torah teachers, Sunday school teachers. They (should) expound and make plain the scriptures to those who are listening, and if needed, take necessary decisions based on God’s Word, concerning matters such as finances, church/synagogue discipline, or any decision based on our Judeo-Christian faith and ethics.

Some call them “gatekeepers” the “gatekeepers” keep in sound doctrine, and “do not let in” false teaching, or, have to “expose” false teaching that perhaps has been circulating. “making righteous judgment” is making “correct or decisions which are “right” according to God’s Word. The Word of God and the Torah is for ALL PEOPLE, and for this reason, the Torah says; “thou shalt not respect persons…” meaning that “one should not single out a person because that person is either rich, poor, famous, in politics, etc.… in order to say, “well, because it is YOU, my friend, I will make an exception to the Torah rule” Elohim says NO!, we are ALL EQUAL, we are ALL SINNERS are deserve righteous judgment, and what applies to the rich man, applies to the poor man as well.

(16:20) “Tzedek, Tzedek tirdof” (Righteousness, Righteousness pursue!) Why does the Torah say “righteousness twice? There are two points of view from the rabbis. One is that one must pursue (run after) righteousness as long as the end result is also righteous. An example is, from the Talmud, a story about an olive grower. The Owner owns many acres of olive trees and he makes a lot of olive oil and fills many urns with the oil and sells each urn for 100 shekels. A servant of the owner is carrying an urn to the storehouse and he slips and falls, dropping and breaking the urn. The result, the oil is lost. The owner’s son drags the servant to the judge at the city gate, and the judge judges according to the “eye for an eye” judgment.

He renders a “right” judgment, that, the servant will have to pay 100 shekels for the lost oil. The son is also in agreement. He will dock the servants pay for that month, which is also 100 shekels. The servant cries out to the owner and explains the situation. The owner who is kind and merciful calls his son “My son, you had the right to bring the servant to judgment, and the judgment is just and right according to the Torah…HOWEVER… the end result will be very unfair and unrighteous, the servant’s family will suffer loss and will not be able to buy food for the month….so…we, on the other hand, can afford the loss, while the servant cannot. I will render this judgment, that the servant’s mishap is forgiven, and no wage kept back!” Thus, “righteousness, righteousness we will pursue!”

The other understanding of this verse is that there are two kinds of “righteousness” “Righteous faith” and “Righteous works” both we must pursue! We pursue “righteous faith” through prayer and our personal relationship with Yeshua HaMashiach, reading/studying the Torah, and occupy ourselves as well with “righteous mitzvoth” through our obedience and following the commandments. The scripture says that “we are saved (righteous faith) unto good works (righteous works). But we must always remember that “righteous works never lead to righteous salvation, rather it is the other way, “righteous salvation leads us to do works of righteousness”

Also, the three Hebrew letters “Tzadik, Dalet, and Qof” could also mean “The Righteous ONE” and there is only “One righteous one” whom we must follow, that is Yeshua HaMashiach, not only in this present world, but in the world to come as well.

Chapter 17 deals with offering sacrificial animals with blemishes. Since today, we don’t sacrifice animals, how can we relate to this verse? The animals were “offered up” to Adonai, we “offer up” to YHVH our praises, prayers, and our service in form of our spiritual gifts, may our prayers be “without blemish” (without distraction, wholehearted, and sincere) not just repeating words that are printed in a prayer book, but “understanding” the words in the prayer book, or better yet, your own words from the heart. May we offer up our spiritual gift with a whole heart to the best of our ability.

(17:14) talks about “setting a king over thee” It was not Adonai’s perfect will that Israel would have kings, as He already knew what the outcome would be. You could probably count on one hand the righteous kings of Israel; David, Josiah, Hezekiah, the rest were perverted and evil (perhaps there were a few more). Manasseh corrected his ways towards the end of his life. God instructs every king to make a copy of the Torah and to study the Torah (17:18). If every president of every nation did that, every nation would be at peace, one with the other, we would not have anti-immigrant laws, racism, etc. We must pray that our president, men, and women in authority govern according to the commandments of the Torah, in accordance to what the Bible teaches.

Chapter 18. The priests and Levites are supported by the people, they get food, (meat, and produce from the field) and skins from the animals that are sacrificed. This was God’s provision for his ministers. Should it be any different today? I would say not! Those who live to teach God’s Word should be maintained by God’s people. Unfortunately, in many countries, some pastors, rabbis, etc. live lives in poverty because the people of their congregation don’t give, yet, some probably do live well, IF they teach their people to give, then, they will, because they love God’s teaching servants and want the best for them and their families. Some ministers have to work secular jobs in order to survive, this affects their ministry because their time is limited.

(18:9) “When you come unto the land which YHVH gives you…you will NOT… and the Torah mentions the abominations that the pagan peoples do. When we move to go to a new town, city, or even to a different job, we will notice the habits, and customs of the people of those new towns, cities, or job sites. Perhaps some of their ways will not be in accordance to what the WORD of God teaches; Cheating on spouses, cheating at work, gossip, (Leshon Hara) dirty jokes, lying to the boss, ill-treatment of others, the list could go on, will we separate ourselves from them? Or…in order to be accepted and not ridiculed, will we “compromise” our standards? Yet the Torah says; “thou shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations!” (or job sites, neighborhoods, cities, towns, etc.)

(19:14) “Thou shalt not remove thy neighbor’s landmark which they of old time have set” I remember when I lived in New York, seeing 4-foot-high stone walls that were in the wooded area behind my house. I was told that way back in colonial days, the owners of that property built those walls to separate their property from the property of others. The stone walls indicated, “behind this wall is my area, beyond the wall is your area”. God has established “landmarks” His WORD is a “boundary” a “landmark” when we venture out of God’s Holy Writ, we leave the protection of “His property” and enter into the property of HaSatan. In this world, there are only two standards of living, God’s standards, and Satan’s standards. YHVH has guidelines, it is called “The Torah” the landmarks are the 66 books of his Torah, outside of that, is the “anything goes” philosophy, “do whatever feels good” way of living.

If we attempt to change a biblical landmark, we are “taking away” from the Word of God, we are headed for trouble. Dad told Jimmy, “Ten feet away from the wasp nest is the landmark, don’t go beyond it!” but Jimmy went beyond it, he got closer, the wasps didn’t like that, and a wasp flew over and stung little Jimmy on the leg” had Jimmy obeyed the voice of his father, and had respected the landmark, he wouldn’t have gotten stung. (yes, that is a portion from “my life”)

(20:19) teaches us to respect trees. Yes, YHVH is concerned about trees. There are some trees that are used for building, like Oak, pine, willow, etc.… yet there are trees that are for fruit and nuts. Many times, when people build homes, they must first clear the field. At times, these fruit trees are cut down. These trees are for food, I have seen in some places, that homes are built “around” a certain fruit tree, and the tree grows in the corner of the kitchen, and a place is made in the roof so that the tree can keep growing without hitting obstacles. The family then can enjoy the fruit and is honoring God’s Word concerning fruit trees.

If we remember back in Genesis, the whole food menu consisted only of fruit and nuts from the trees, and from grains and vegetables, and people lived to 900 years. Kind of makes sense to protect “food trees”.
 

p_rehbein

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From what I can see/read, you are only focusing on the First Covenant, Law, and not the New Covenant, Grace.

With a "reference" to the Gospel of John, Chapter 1, vs. 1-57............But, in the body of your comment, I can not find Scriptures from the Gospel of John.

IF you desire to continue to live under the First Covenant, Law, that is certainly your choice. As for me and my house, we choose to live under the New Covenant, Grace as established by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is HIS precious blood that cleanses us and makes us worthy to be called the Sons of God, and Heirs to the Promise.
 

tantalon

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The Bible tells us only God can judge the heart, (motive purpose and intent) but we are to judge behaviours among us as Paul gives examples in Corinthians. Most of our "judgements" should be of ourselves, that we do not offend God, his Word, or others.
 

Mandy17

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2 Timothy 3:16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Christians are allowed to judge. As shown in the scripture above, it indicates that the scriptures should be the basis for our judgements on others. Notice the part that say's "reproof and correction. We are to correct them so that they can grow further in their walk with God, or even come to salvation in some cases.
 
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The scriptures say the teachings of christ are a two edged sword. "And a sword will pierce your own soul as well" Now take as an example the epiphany of christ to paul. Did christ cut him to pieces using the laws of the israelites or did he not unscramble his brain by restoring his morality/logic/fellowship principles so that he could be a walking example of what christ is? For any who serve the testament as paul did produce the fruit he did and deny the christ law in hisself leaving a trail of suffering and bloodshed. Paul was a victim. Paul was oppressed. Christ restored him. So if you had lived in you sin and served the god of the living then you would have been put to death, in a sense, but not destroyed. Call Paul a child of the devil if you like, then understand what it was about paul christ destroyed, then walk outside and look around and ask yourself, which of these are the children of the devil who were not created by God? The war is for the souls of men, but for any one of these he will search, and if oppression in manifest in behavior and is observable then those who do not make peace, are not pure in heart, those who betray, those who destroy, are called devil children so they might be, i dunno, ostracized, imprisoned, beaten, killed by men at the behest of someone who sows oppression but if noone can serve two masters, then the destroyer cannot create life. Now to your question, which is also my question. Beyond love God and love neighbor, what can be done to address the work of the enemy of men at each level beyond the level of the individual; family, community, nation, society? Every good thing we have is either (as christs' sacrifice was) the result of iniquity or corrupted in its execution by our enemy. For example, there are no armies in our kingdom, there is no war, there are no jails in our kingdom, there are no laws. There is no government in our kingdom, there is no lack of responsibility or communication, but there will be billets. (Administration jobs). The bible ending of the world was written by the same author of christs' death, and all our societies superstructures are geared toward that end, but we all know the problems, how do we judge what must be done beyond waiting, or is it Test me in this, and see if i do not throw open the floodgates.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.


Christians are allowed to judge. As shown in the scripture above, it indicates that the scriptures should be the basis for our judgements on others. Notice the part that say's "reproof and correction. We are to correct them so that they can grow further in their walk with God, or even come to salvation in some cases.
Says, all scripture is God inspired. For example, Pauls testament. It was a result, it was inspired by God, to present the work of God in the world as a scarecrow, so we would be content to wait for the bible ending, which is horrible. We are perfect. Perfect for the job of which we were called, to be children in this garden, life in, of and through christ, we, as you can see, are merely oppressed and the oppressed and misled lash out against the complacent, men at ease have contempt for misfortune just as unfortunate men have contempt for men at ease. So we are bid eat our brothers flesh, judgement excludes, judgement reinforces stratification, judgement leads to judgement until the final judgement. NO, If we are all children of God, then we cannot deny christ in each other, or the glory of the enemy of man.
 

Mandy17

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Says, all scripture is God inspired. For example, Pauls testament. It was a result, it was inspired by God, to present the work of God in the world as a scarecrow, so we would be content to wait for the bible ending, which is horrible. We are perfect. Perfect for the job of which we were called, to be children in this garden, life in, of and through christ, we, as you can see, are merely oppressed and the oppressed and misled lash out against the complacent, men at ease have contempt for misfortune just as unfortunate men have contempt for men at ease. So we are bid eat our brothers flesh, judgement excludes, judgement reinforces stratification, judgement leads to judgement until the final judgement. NO, If we are all children of God, then we cannot deny christ in each other, or the glory of the enemy of man.
I'm not talking about denying Christ in each other, I'm talking about helping out a fellow Christian along the way that may be being mislead by Satan and the world or opening someones eyes to the truth that is in Christ Jesus. Like I said though, the Bible should be the basis for our judgements on others, otherwise then yes, we may be in the wrong if we're basing our assesment of others on our emotions. Casting judgement and correcting someone using scripture is actually the loving thing to do because we want them to grow closer to the Lord and not be deceived by Satan. Also, we will NOT be perfect until the day of judgement, in this world we are still sin filled creatures that need to fight against temptation even though we are saved.
 
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I'm not talking about denying Christ in each other, I'm talking about helping out a fellow Christian along the way that may be being mislead by Satan and the world or opening someones eyes to the truth that is in Christ Jesus. Like I said though, the Bible should be the basis for our judgements on others, otherwise then yes, we may be in the wrong if we're basing our assesment of others on our emotions. Casting judgement and correcting someone using scripture is actually the loving thing to do because we want them to grow closer to the Lord and not be deceived by Satan. Also, we will NOT be perfect until the day of judgement, in this world we are still sin filled creatures that need to fight against temptation even though we are saved.

If you believe the lord of the old testament (jehovah) is god (as opposed to someone mocking christ) you are required to live according to his laws. In the new testament a posit is made that men cannot achieve this. If you think Paul was the mans man and as pious as a wooden yamaka then know despite being flawless in his execution of the law, christ still found fault in him. Indeed, does it speak to your heart to watch men beat someone to death, according to law? Do you think a man who kills a man is the devils pawn and deserves to be killed? Or do you think a man does not wish to kill a man, but is tempted to do so wrongly. Who then tempted pauls men to kill Stephen?

Paul ran afoul of christ by obeying the torah, which, paul hisself lamented made nothing perfect, and im trying to share my suspicion that someone wanted to attribute suffering and violence to God himself using the bible which goes along way toward explaining the train wreck we live in and since the bible only references God once every 500 pages using the name it gives him- elohim anyway- if you want to understand why life seems so antithetical to your nature, you can find answers in the bible, but, if you want to know God you will find very little there and WARNING! maybe the one who is responsible for putting christ on the cross is the same one who wrote the end of the world and the death of all humans but couple hundred thousand.

You say the scripture is a two edged sword. "And a sword will pierce your own soul as well" Now take as an example the epiphany of christ to paul. Did christ cut him to pieces using the laws of the israelites (scriptures) or did he not unscramble his brain by restoring his morality/logic/fellowship principles so that he could be a walking example of what christ is? For any who serve the testament as paul did produce the fruit he did and deny the christ law in hisself leaving a trail of suffering and bloodshed. Paul was a victim. Paul was oppressed. Christ restored him. So if you had lived in you sin and served the god of the living then you would have been put to death, in a sense, but not destroyed. Call Paul a child of the devil if you like, then understand what it was about paul christ destroyed, then walk outside and look around and ask yourself, which of these are the children of the devil who were not created by God? The war is for the souls of men, but for any one of these he will search, and if oppression in manifest in behavior and is observable then those who do not make peace, are not pure in heart, those who betray, those who destroy, are called devil children so they might be, i dunno, ostracized, imprisoned, beaten, killed by men at the behest of someone who sows oppression but if noone can serve two masters, then the destroyer cannot create life.

Living as you suggest, and indeed as christ reminds us, brings us here, 2000 years of the practical application of these truths and do you think we do not still face the same problems now christ did then? murder, rape, bloodshed, corrupted sex acts, corrupted justice, corrupted lives?
 

Lanolin

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God is the one who judges as He alone knows out hearts, its a bit silly to think we can know someone elses heart and judge them, unless God has given us clean hearts and the ability to discern exactly what the problem is with someone else....

The only thing we can do is judge OURSELVES before others. The other thing with judging is that God is much more merciful than we are and much more forgiving. Why because its God who cleanses our hearts, we dont do it ourselves. We can ask for a clean heart but we dont actually have the ability to clean it ourselves. Thats an act of Gods grace.
 

soberxp

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When you sit with Jesus together in the kingdom of heaven,not now on The earth
 

soggykitten

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PARASHAH: “Shoftim” (judges)

DEUT: 16:18: -21:9……… ISAIAH 51:12-52:12…… JOHN 1:1-57


This parashah starts off with; “Judges (shoftim) and officers shalt thou make thee at thy gates, which YHVH thy Elohim giveth thee…. they shall judge the people with “righteous judgment…” Many people when they think of the word “judge” they think of the elderly man or woman with the black robe in the courtroom who points a finger and dishes out a prison sentence, a sentence that condemns a criminal who is standing before said, judge. While it is true that the word “judge” can mean to issue or decide a sentence that could condemn, in the Hebrew, it also means one who “knows, teaches, and decides issues related to the Torah”.
I had to shorten your OP due to character length not allowing me to reply.

If you read the BDF you'll find your answer. Yes! Obviously. ;) John 7
 

Blade

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the word makes it clear yes. The problem comes in.. are we doing it with love 1st Cor 13 and the fruits of the spirit? Are we trying to HELP bring them back or lift them up.. things like this. If not... then how we judge He will judge us exactly how we judged them

So.. its best not to. Most do not walk like Christ.
 

Butterflyyy

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In answer to the OP I am reminded of these truths:

His Law is written on my heart.

Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees you will in no way enter into the kingdom of Heaven.

First take the plank out of your own eye then you will be able to remove the splinter from your brother’s.

Walk in love, for without love you are as a clanging cymbal and a sounding drum.

He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His Name’s sake.

Those that are led by the Spirit of God they are the Sons of God.
The true worshippers worship in spirit and in truth not through the dead letter of the law.
Our good deeds are as filthy rags before Him.
We are made holy by the blood of the Lamb; we have an advocate with the Father, Yeshua Ha Mashiach the Righteous, whose Blood covers our sins.
If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins.
If we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfil the lusts of the flesh for the two war against each other.
I am dead and my life is hid with Christ.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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The other understanding of this verse is that there are two kinds of “righteousness” “Righteous faith” and “Righteous works” both we must pursue! We pursue “righteous faith” through prayer and our personal relationship with Yeshua HaMashiach, reading/studying the Torah, and occupy ourselves as well with “righteous mitzvoth” through our obedience and following the commandments.
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
John 5:12

And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:35-40