Is black racism more virtuous than other racisms?

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rastai said:
I work hard. I have my own business. work hard 60+ hours a week and I do ok for myself.
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What's the name of your business? I've never heard of a hard working business owner who does "ok" for himself to be an advocate for bumping up the minimum wage. Also never heard one saying how they like paying taxes.
 
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Nothing is wrong with getting a job. Everyone should be able to get a decent job. A job in and of itself does not fix the problem. Many jobs do not even pay enough to survive. The reason for this is corporate greed. The minimum wage in this country is a sin in itself. What's wrong with giving people dignity. This is the wealthiest, most technologically advanced country in the world. All that wealth and technology comes from the hard work and ingenuity of millions of people over generations. It is a travesty that we have such income and wealth inequality. There is no reason and no excuse. The Lord has made more then enough for each and everyone to live in peace and security. You think that we are limited. We are in fact not. There are not a limited but a limitless number of opportunities. The only reason we do not have this is that we do not allow government to protect against greed.
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Many jobs do not even pay enough to survive.
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Minimum wage prevents sweat shops like they have in China. In a free market wages are agreed upon based on demand, skill, and type of work. You as a citizen has the freedom to accept or deny the job based on wages. If you are not qualified to be on a livable wage then most states have state assistance and private sector operations have self help programs.

Even the low class in America are considered privilege and rich compared to the world. Forcing wages can destroy small businesses. If your not qualified then you have the options to get qualified. If your not making enough then you have the freedom to relocate or change jobs.

The only reason we do not have this is that we do not allow government to protect against greed.
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Government has only the power to keep the market fair and equal opportunity. If a business is worth billions but pays it's employees $14 an hour. The wage was agreed on by the employee. The billions trickle down to stimulate the economy and create other job opportunities plus investments.

Sure greed is unavoidable but government is greedy too. And government is the worst of the two. As to why it isn't more government we need, it is more morality.
 
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rastai said:
I work hard. I have my own business. work hard 60+ hours a week and I do ok for myself. I also have no problem paying my taxes and having a large portion of that go to give other people the chance to acquire the skills and the health to better their lives. In fact, the harder I work and the more I succeed, the more grateful I feel that I want to help those less fortunate. The problem is not everyone is generous or of goodwill. that is why the government should make everyone accountable through a fare an equitable tax system.
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The problem is not everyone is generous or of goodwill. that is why the government should make everyone accountable through a fare an equitable tax system
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The Bible doesn't tell government to be the goodwill department but commands the church and individual to be.

A fair tax would be the same for every tax bracket and income. As in the rich shouldn't have to pay more. The people have a lot of control with the purse and congress. If united for example let's say you everyone stopped watching the NFL, going to their games, and buying their merchandise. How long until you think they will change business methods? If we elect good representatives in Congress then this can also help keep the market free, equal, fair, and can crack down on corruption as Congress is trying to do against the Big Tech giants.
 
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Maybe you ought to define "racism". That's a weaponized word that takes on a lot of different meanings depending on the situation and who is wielding it. It changes meaning so much and so quickly.
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acts5_29 said:
Since you insist on repeatedly labelling BLM as Marxist, clearly you believe that black racism is more virtuous than other forms. All you have to do is show a little solidarity toward black people, as they're getting constantly shot by American police and the police repeatedly get systemically exonerated for it. Yet you do the opposite. Since you are practicing it, obviously you feel it is more virtuous than others.
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Why do people get shot by the police? As if people don’t hate cops? We’ve seen who Flloyd was and what a dramaqueen he was during his arrest. Don’t watch too much mainstream news, it’s using nazi practices to put people against eachother.
 
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Race is a social construct. in Bible times, there was no such thing as race, only tribes. Society considers anyone who looks like Obama black. Why are you giving examples of horrific crimes? What is the point of that? You think people do not know that evil exists in all colors of people. To answer your baited question, no it is not owing the ancestors of slaves. Owing the ancestors of slaves would be something like free higher education for everyone, universal health care, and housing as a right.
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"Tribes" in Biblical times was the same as "race" is today.
And you're the one that thinks people owe the "ancestors of slaves". Do you know that free blacks owned slaves? And in many cases treated them worse than did white slavers?

Owing the ancestors of slaves would be something like free higher education for everyone, universal health care, and housing as a right.
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Oh, that's already in place in America.

At this point your posts sound like a BLM soundbite. I can't take you seriously.
 
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Christians know and understand that all kinds of racism are wrong, since (1) God has created all men “of one blood”, (2) all have descended from Adam, (3) all are sinners, (4) all need to be saved by grace through faith, and (5) all need to become brothers and sisters in Christ. Christians also know that every race (ethnic group) is represented within the USA, and there is little or no racial conflict.

However, ever since the Marxist domestic terrorist organization known as Black Lives Matter (BLM) came into existence a few years ago, the evil idea that black racism is more virtuous than any other kind of racism is being promoted worldwide (and gaining a lot of support from feckless politicians). It is also heavily funded by the likes of George Soros (who hates America), since it is a political ploy meant to destroy the Western world, democracy, freedom, and nationalism. To say nothing of the destruction of American cities and monuments.

There was a time when white racism was quite prevalent, and it began with the colonial period of history. European nations went into other parts of the world and discovered that those countries were still living in abysmal conditions, but there were all kinds of natural resources which could be exploited for the benefit of Europe and the detriment of the third world. And this is exactly what happened.

In America, first the Spaniards, and then others discovered that here was a continent waiting to be exploited, with no regard to the people who lived there already. Hence the buffalo were exterminated, and the Indians were reduced to handouts on reservations (which had little value). The treatment of Native Americans was also a reflection of white racism.

But colonialism came to an end by about 1950, and since then white racism has been on the decline. Indeed it would be fair to say that in the USA there have been the most drastic changes in attitudes, and most of the white population is not racist. In a population of about 330 million, there may only be about 1 million White Supremacists, but they are not attempting to destroy America either.

Slavery in America ended in 1865. But white racism did not end at that time. However between 1960 and 2008, American blacks made tremendous progress in every occupation, and throughout society and government. “Systemic Racism” and “White Privilege” are simply Marxist slogans meant to incite the black population, since they have no reality.

When black Barack Obama actually became POTUS, it was a clear indication that racism in America was a thing of the past. But Obama himself was a black racist who hated America, and was trained in Communist tactics by Saul Alinsky. His agenda was to destroy America and promote blacks regardless of character or qualifications. And ever since he took office, black racism became a various serious cancer in America. But after Donald Trump took office, the hatred against whites by some (not all) blacks became very evident, and now BLM is using race to destroy the cities of America, while the rest of the people simply stand by. Trump was constantly accused of being a racist, even though there was no evidence to support such a baseless accusation.

There is no question that there are a few bad eggs in all the police forces, and they have used police brutality against black suspects for some time. By the same token the majority of criminals who commit murder in the US are blacks (and black on black crime is worse than black on white crime). But the issue of white police against black suspects could have been easily addressed by ensuring that there were sufficient black police officers to go into black communities and arrest blacks, so that the issue of racism could not come up. Now, because of a few white bad eggs in the police forces, BLM has been shouting to defund the police, and the corrupt and cowardly politicians in various cities have caved in to this nonsense. If the police are defunded, guess who will control the cities of America? All the mafias and cartels of the world are waiting with bated breath.

The latest evidence of black racism is the insistence by the Democrats (black and white) that Joe Biden must have a black woman as his running mate for Vice President. This is pure racism, since other qualifications have no bearing on this kind of identity politics. (And if this woman had been transgender, that would be even more delightful). But Kamala Harris is an extremely opportunistic and evil woman, who wants to promote extreme Socialism, as well as black privilege in America. She has absolutely no redeeming qualities, and Biden is being saddled with her, since in the end she would oust him (or have him ousted) and become President.

It is about time that black, white, Hispanic, Indian, and other voices were raised against discrimination on the basis of color, particularly favoritism of blacks over whites. There is no call for such nonsense. There is also no call for reparations, since the USA has more than compensated for the past with Affirmative Action, and other initiatives. It is also about time that someone told all those black athletes who have been *taking the knee* during the national anthem, that they can either be charged with sedition and treason, and be locked up, or they can abandon all such seditious activity and focus on sports. Once again we see that everyone has been simply caving in to black nonsense because they are all afraid of being called “racist”.
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Sadly, what is NOT being promoted with regard to racism in America is Biblical truth and historic fact.

In the gospel of Matthew Jesus is quoted as saying, if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matt 6:15)

Blacks need to remember Jesus' words and concentrate on forgiving those who they deem to be offensive (whites) rather than executing violence in the streets against LEOs and private property.

Blacks can not and will not be forgiven their SINs until and unless they forgive whites.

But the lesson doesn't end there. The avenue of racial discord is a two way street. Whites need to learn a lesson from history.

"Any government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take it away." - Thomas Jefferson

Whites also suffer racial stereotyping. Secure in their private property and financial bubbles, whites are comfortable in the illusion they are immune to the issues that plague our mean streets. Whites have forgotten an important lesson of history:

When a poor man is allowed to be trampled upon by the government, it will not be long before that same government will trample upon the rights of all citizens - rich as well as poor.

America is in love with hatred and violence. One group hates the other and our media fans the flames of our discord for its own purpo$e.

We will not see an end to this trouble until blacks forgive and whites stand up for the rights of the disenfranchised.

But neither side will give an inch and as a consequence we shall not see and end to this madness in our lifetimes.

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Certain members of society feel they’ve cornered the market on being oppressed.
 
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I have many ideological disputes with some BLM members and/or leaders. The basic concept is biblically sound. Racism by no means died in 2008, it actually seems to have gotten worse. Black people have been mistreated by society for 100s of years and it is very naive to think that slavery and subsequent form of systematic racism do not continue to have an effect on the mental, pysical and spiritual well being of a disproportional percentage of those who are ancestors of slaves. Why is it that black people have higher rates of poverty and less wealth. Saying it is their own fault is like saying they are inferior. If black people are not inferior, then there must be another cause. This is what is often called systematic racism. Anyone can be racist toward any other race and it is wrong. Christians should embrace BLM and emphasize the Christian elements within it of charity and equality. The least shall be first. Those at the bottom of society should be helped the most to fulfill God's commandment.
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there is nothing in the BLM that anyone should embrace, not black people, not any color of people and certainly not Christians

I hope you are not familar with their beliefs and that is why you made the post above, but they have an agenda that will not benefit ANYONE and in the end, not even themselves

they are a godless, communist leaning, lying, evil concoction of people who prey on others

so tell me, rasti, do all black lives matter? it does not seem they do or maybe they would not kill innocent babies and children and shoot and kill each other every week-end

stop believing the lie and educate yourself by going to their website and read what they actually are all about
 
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When did something like free college, free health care, and free housing become a right? Who would pay for it? Who would organize it?
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well you and me and the neighbors who do not shoot at each other every week end and do not light the city on fire because we are too busy working and trying to make things better
 
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All you have to do is show a little solidarity toward black people, as they're getting constantly shot by American police
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yes of course. constantly. all day, every day, all night 24/7. constantly. no exaggeration there :whistle:

however they do a much better job of shooting each other and killing their own babies and children when the exchange of gunfire is not as accurate as the police who shoot them constantly, 24/7 all the time

laugh or cry? maybe both
 
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Certain members of society feel they’ve cornered the market on being oppressed.
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Do you mean those whose lives matter?
Or maybe you're referring to the new rainbow warriors?
Could be the chosen people/master race?

It's almost like there's not enough oppression to go around. Everyone trying to milk that gravy train!
 
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well you and me and the neighbors who do not shoot at each other every week end and do not light the city on fire because we are too busy working and trying to make things better
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Yah my worldview doesn't include criminals and free loaders to contribute in the fruits of others labor.
 
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Racism is OK. After all, God created people in races, so God is obviously a racist. Racism is overrated as a problem. There are enough people in every race that you do not have to deal with people of other races and could just stick to your race if you don't like treatment by other races. The only people who complain are the proud lustful greedy ones that want the goods of the white race because they don't like their own race. They're the true racists!!! As a white person myself, I wouldn't say I get treated well by races other than white, but you don't see me going out and complaining or shouting rudely about it. That's what false beggars do. That is beggars who are begging for pride, lust, and greed not because they're truly poor. Anyways, I never give attention to people complaining rudely about anything. If you complain rudely, you lose all credibility for your cause because you're trying to right a supposed wrong by committing more wrong. If you can't ask nicely, or if you don't get what you want nicely, then it means you're seeking the wrong thing or you're at the wrong place at the wrong time and should leave. Godspeed.
 
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rastai said:
...that is why the government should make everyone accountable through a fare an equitable tax system....
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I agree. Which means in practical terms that this should happen:

1. Throw out the Tax Code in its entirety. A one page tax return should be sufficient.
2. Impose a flat tax of 10% on all gross income -- personal and corporate.
3. Totally eliminate all exemptions, deductions, loopholes, or anything else that allows the tax system to be manipulated.
4. Impose heavy fines and/or penalties on non-payment of taxes.
5. Make the Treasury Department responsible for the allocation of taxes.
6. Eliminate all non-essential government spending and waste.
7. Cut all bureaucracies by 80%.
8. Cut all representatives and senators by 80%. Ban lobbying at the same time.
9. Eliminate deficit spending altogether.
10. Eliminate government debt.
11. Bring back the Gold Standard.
12. Eliminate the Federal Reserve.

We know that this will never happen since self-interest governs all politicians. But the solution does exist. And when taxation is minimal and the value of the dollar is stable, then there is plenty of money available for (1) investment, (2) savings, and (3) charitable donations.
 
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surfer14 said:
Do you mean those whose lives matter?
Or maybe you're referring to the new rainbow warriors?
Could be the chosen people/master race?

It's almost like there's not enough oppression to go around. Everyone trying to milk that gravy train!
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All Lives Matter.
 
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August 17,2020 Truck Driver Kicked Unconscious By BLM Thugs In Portland After Trying To Protect Woman

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All Lives Matter.
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Not according to BLM. Their ad on American TV says, "Because no lives matter until black lives matter!"
Think about that for a minute. Then perhaps the story above will make more sense. No life matters....That's why BLM thugs kicked a truck driver until he was unconscious.

What's wrong? People in those cities where these terrorists act up don't have baseball bats?

Not only do no lives matter to BLM, as they tell you, so we should believe them when they're informing us of their stance on peoples lives, but Jessica Doty Whitaker was shot and killed by a BLM thug for saying aloud in response to BLM shouting their racist standard, BLACK LIVES MATTER, all lives matter.

What's wrong? People in Ms.Whitaker's city where these terrorists act up don't have guns too?
 
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And rastai ? I'm still waiting for you to list the Christian values BLM stands for.
Please hurry. I look forward to that list being posted. As do others I'm sure.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
When did something like free college, free health care, and free housing become a right?
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It is thought to be a right due to what is imagined as owing in "reparations" for slavery.
Who would pay for it?
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Not would, but do. American taxpayers.
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Various government agencies that dispense those freebies to blacks.
Free college?
Free healthcare? Welfare health insurance
Free housing? Section 8

True, many different races of people are on welfare in America. But the question here as to the matter of the thread pertains to blacks.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
They are very definitely of this age. Otherwise the Democrats would be choosing the person most qualified to be a VP. Not insisting on having a black woman as Biden's running mate.
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It's the perception of a black VP running mate. Biden's Racism will only allow him to bend so far. If Ms.Harris was as dark as the ace of spades I guarantee you she wouldn't be on his ticket.
Remember when Biden was talking about BHO as his VP? He called him, clean.
The Top 7 Racist Comments Made by Joe Biden Over the Years
 
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