The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation

(Joh 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
(Joh 11:26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

There are two types of believers in those two verses.
The believers in verse 25 died but the believers in verse 25 never die.

Since verse 26 says that a believer will NEVER DIE then why did the believers in verse 25 die and have to be raised from the dead?

Relying on Rev 7 where 12 tribes are listed and in heaven which died (came out of) the great tribulation of Jerusalem, I would say many were from the Lost Tribes, whether they knew it or not. God never lost track of them after they were taken by the Assyrians. Besides Benjamin became part of Judah, did it not?

According to Jewish tradition, many from among the lost tribes migrated south and were absorbed by Judah. Benjamin of Tudela, Son of Jonah, traveled from Spain in the 12th century AD in search of the Lost Tribes. In his "Book of Travels" he claimed to have found several of the lost tribes in Persia and the Arabian Peninsula. So who knows? It isn't really that important. They certainly won't be more defined in our future as you likely suppose.

Because you will not stop calling me a Jesuit just because they happen to hold some of the same beliefs, even though they were not the ones who originated Preterism, I must now continue to mistakenly refer to you as a "Daniel Gapper."

BTW, Christ was the first Preterist as He said he was going to handle everything in that generation. Ignatius and Eusebius were also preterists and they published their views long before any Jesuit.

Yeah, you might want to take a pass on this thread. It is not for the sleepy, LOL.

Haha! I agree.

He did not return so as "every eye shall see Him" which pertains to "all the tribes of the Earth" and not just the one single Jewish tribe whose members were scattered abroad after the fall of Jerusalem.

I would suggest you make it two cups ... of 93 octane. Juan Valdez would approve.

HAHAHA. Heck, after today I just might need to. I mean....WWJD...what would Juan do?? PS: Is it Friday yet??

PHONEMAN-777? Why would ya wanna talk to that jerk????

LOL We used to work for a guy named Lloyd Daigle and whenever someone would say, "Yeah, Lloyd says we gotta do this and that...' this lovable but insufferable atheist in our crew would say, "THUS SAITH THE LLOYD." I'll admit it was funny

I got stuck here "Unfortunately, Christians have been fooled by the Jesuits into accepting a false interpretation of prophecy which says there will be seven years from the "secret rapture" These people? "The Society of Jesus is a religious order of the Catholic Church headquartered in Rome. It was founded by Ignatius of Loyola and six companions with the approval of Pope Paul III in 1540 "

I can't find it written "caught up" happens the same time Christ sets foot on the earth. Now those that are watching ready when He comes to get His own. See when Christ or in truth GOD says something it will happen. This so far never has -->He said He went back to make us a home yes or no? He said I will come back and receive you unto my self so WHERE (we know where He is right now in heaven) He is we will be.

We read this stuff as if when it was written all the NT was written. There was no NT when Christ said any of this. There was no NT when Paul wrote his 1st letter to Thessalonians. I take it as the holy Spirit through Paul said "we which remain". Not going to sit here and be foolish and say "what Paul was really saying was".

I hear "post caught up" from man not the word of God. Then so many times "we need to be tested". Yet I guess those that DIE before all that are SO BLESSED huh. They never had to be tested lol. Then I think POST people believe the great tribulation is either one day or its going to be as it is now. NOT even close. Far worse then anything in history. And if we can't live for Jesus now.. we NEVER will then.

I read what Jesus told the 12 and them Pauls 1st letter with "we which remain". He put him in that moment caught up happens. He didn't know when. And we do? No... so as they did I do.. watch for Him now. I am ready now. Some are not. So when it happens it will be as a thief in the night. Where Christ comes and takes not steals but takes what is His and no one even knew He came.

Ever watch the NEWS and whats being reported? Do you know how many believe "nothing bad is happening right now" hmm

Sorry I missed the question. I'm not sure what visions and indiscernible OOB experiences have to do with the subject...I mean, John saw a great multitude stand on a sea of glass, but they weren't standing there when he saw it, right? It was a vision.

Hahahaha, that is hilarious!

It's not there. The saints are "caught up" to the "rapture thief" Jesus Who remains in the clouds while the destruction Peter describes at the time the Lord comes as a thief unfolds. Jesus doesn't set foot on Mount Moriah until 1,000 years later, at the time of the Resurrection of Damnation.

Brother, the 12 tribes of Revelation are symbolic. The ten tribes are lost and Benjamin was long ago absorbed by Judah. They have had thousands of years to dilute their bloodline so that none remain. Even the Jews of today are thought to actually be descendants of the pagan Russian Khazarian Empire and no Jews at all.

Yes, there are movements today where people claim to be the "true Israel of God"...Herbert Armstong's British Israel Movement, the colossal joke that is the Black Hebrew Israelite Movement...even Rastafari claimed to be a direct descendant of "black" Abraham, "black" Isaac, and "black" Jacob, and to be the leader of the "black Israel race" (which proves irrefutably that the most confused individual on the planet is a White Rastafarian).

What makes the 12 tribes symbolic?

LOL...I had read your OP and had asked (in post #8) "Do you know the meaning of 'conflation'?" That is when someone else (Graceguy-post #143) spoke up and answered for you.

Does God know where the 12 tribes are today?

I think the all-knowing God does.

And could there be a deeper spiritual implication?

That is totally false. The Holy Spirit would not devote eight verses of Scripture to describe the 144,000 in detail, only for someone to come along and dismiss them with "Oh! They are only symbolic. God meant that passage to simply apply to Gentile Jehovah's' Witnesses" (since that is what the Witnesses claim).

When people start playing fast and loose with Scripture, they can make anything mean anything else. Thus it becomes a game of fantasizing rather than sober interpretation.

Those 144,000 redeemed Jews are a microcosm of redeemed and restored Israel, and all twelve tribes will have their allotted portions of land in Greater Israel, after the Second Coming of Christ (Ezekiel 48).

Yeah, they seem to be good at throwing out the literal meaning of scripture. Who told them that the 144,000 was symbolic? There's nothing in the context that would suggest that. Not only is the full number of a 144,000 mentioned in chapter 12 and 14, but it is also broken down to 12,000 per tribe. As you know, they do the same thing with the information regarding the thousand years. "Oh, that's not a real thousand years, but is an unknown amount of time."

Oye Vey!

Why do remove the Sovereignty and power of God? Don't you think that He can reserve for himself the people of Israel whom He has chosen? Why do you put these things in the hands of mankind, as though God's hands were tied? Do you know what God knows?

Regardless of what you have believed and adopted, the scriptures say that from the beginning of the great tribulation period until the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, Israel is going to flee out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God during the last 3 1/2 years.

Get away from whatever teachings you have been following, because they are definitely the false teachings of men.