Suicide

I don't think so, not till Pentacost at least. Besides would the HOLY SPIRIT have allowed Peter to curse and deny Jesus the night he was arrested if the H.S. dwelt within him??

Ok a couple of examples.

This is just bizarre. Seemingly formulated on the false assumptions that the Catholic Church teaches that the Eucharist forgives sin and Judas Iscariot is a Saint.

OK so I left it like a car wreck. My mothers side of the family are all catholic as my first wife's family. Many of my friends and family are still faithfull to the doctrines of works and sacrements but reject getting born again is required for salvation. They've even tried to reconvert me and convince me I need to put faith in works, images of Mary, the cross, sacraments and prayer to saints and Mary instead of only Jesus. I don't hate them. I hate the dogma that brainwashed them.

Many here believe the RCC is the great prostitute from revelations. I won't go that far.

People who commit suicide are often also punishing others.

Oh wow really? even though it was forbidden you still did it? you are amazing
I could be wrong about this but I don't think suicide is blaspheming the holy spirit creating a mortal sin at the very least not if it has to do with an ill mind or because life becomes so bad people don't have it in them to go on.
One thing Jesus had more than anything was compassion, he saw the inner wounds and inner bleeding of people and felt compassion for them and helped them whenever he could, if one kills themselves or even tries to because of this I don't think they would go to hell.

Because people often times forget that the inner wounds and inner scars are the ones that cut the deepest and are the most difficult to heal

There is something a person is trying to find even when committing suicide. Happiness.

It looks like you were a victim of poor or no catechesis. We don't reject the new birth In Christ.
Jesus said we must be born of water and spirit which is Baptism.

Works are not what saves. Our works are tested and are either wood and hay or precious metals. The former will be burnt away the latter will remain as they are works of merit.
This test only makes sense if it happens after death. This burning away of sin is necessary to enter heaven. After death but before heaven what could this purging of sin be?

Uh, what? We were never to take a stand that suicide was or wasn't and unforgiveable sin. Our job was to get to the root and prevent it altogether. We had Charismatic Catholics, Pentecostals, Baptists & Etc., on staff and voulenteers. As long as they were born again they could serve or help.

Thanks. I suppose some could claim that Jesus comitted suicide by default for allowing himself to be executed for our sins rather than calling a legion of angels or striking the Romans and Jewish instigators dead on the spot.

My questions are; what is a mortal sin? Where in the bible can we find such teaching?

Uh, what? We were never to take a stand that suicide was or wasn't and unforgiveable sin. Our job was to get to the root and prevent it altogether. We had Charismatic Catholics, Pentecostals, Baptists & Etc., on staff and voulenteers. As long as they were born again they could serve or help.

If it isn't too personal, you said you use to work a suicide prevention line. What caused you to leave?

The church paid $5.50 an hour. Econo lube paid twice as much.

We know our bodies get sick .. the mind is no different God knows this.

Agreed however some just want an escape while others see suicide as a way out of a hopeless and or incredibly painful life.

I think that it partially depends on the motivation. Is their a caveat to; ' I will never leave or forsake you," (unless you commit suicide?) It's not there.

Depression and mental illness is real. Many are sick. I don't think the Lord will turn his back on his sick children, which they are to him.








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I'd forgotten that passage about Peter. Jesus gave his rebuke by telling Satan to get behind him. Thank you for that reminder.
This leads me to a question if you will, and to anyone who may care to share their thoughts. Besides it being an amazing thing to actually be there and walk with the living Christ at the time, which is just my 21st century silly imagination thinking it can even come close to envisioning that, what are you thoughts on this question. How the apostles, walking with Christ, would be susceptible to Satan entering them? I mean, God is right there teaching them his ways and along comes Satan and actually gets inside them and leads them to do the wrong thing?

Happy to see you back! I know that you have traveled a rough road and I have prayed for you.