Not By Works

No born again person is without sin . If we say we have no sin, we are not being truthful. Why? Because we have that spiritual side which is willing to not sin but we have the "human nature" side which is sometimes difficult to control. As long as we are in these bodies of flesh, we will sin; omission, commission.

Praise God we have someone who has covered our sins with His blood

I agree with you that this isn't a correct interpretation in that context. I just conceded to his understanding to show what is wrong with this teaching. It upsets me how people who present this teachings are never able to heal others or help others be sinless. Everything ends with the claims of themselves being sinless, and beating other believers on the head. If you have a power from God, then by all means extend it to others so they can also be healed and empowered. That's fruitless, and not the way power of God had been used throughout the Bible.

I think this ......

Titus 3:4-8
“But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.”

That doesn't speak to repentance and conversion, but purely to trying to earn salvation through meritorious works which is not what I am saying at all. You're arguing for a "faith" that changes nothing, that inspires no action, that is worthless. There's no hope in the faith you present and it's certainly far off from the call of Christ that bids us to come and die.

As much as has been covered in this thread....It blows my mind, how many pit Paul against James while in ignorance not understanding that James is speaking of a mere belief IN GOD and not saving faith, he is also speaking to HOW MEN CAN SEE THE FAITH that justifies us before GOD WITHOUT WORKS......is is getting to be a sad joke really......!

Speak for yourself.

I'm not going to let my flesh rule me and end up in a state where I deny scriptures so brazenly.

My yoke is light. At what point is enough belief? Is it entertaining the idea as possible? Kinda believing it but holding onto a little doubt? Being convinced, but still allowing for the possibility of being wrong? Being completely and totally convinced? The knife of "how much" cuts both ways.
And no, I don't believe that we somehow are fictitiously righteous without actually demonstrating righteousness.

Whose righteousness do you possess?

No born again person is without sin . If we say we have no sin, we are not being truthful. Why? Because we have that spiritual side which is willing to not sin but we have the "human nature" side which is sometimes difficult to control. As long as we are in these bodies of flesh, we will sin; omission, commission.

Praise God we have someone who has covered our sins with His blood

As much as has been covered in this thread....It blows my mind, how many pit Paul against James while in ignorance not understanding that James is speaking of a mere belief IN GOD and not saving faith, he is also speaking to HOW MEN CAN SEE THE FAITH that justifies us before GOD WITHOUT WORKS......is is getting to be a sad joke really......!

To have no sin whatsoever and be perfect, it is a very high standard.

What, precisely, in James do you see as leaning in that direction? James clearly states that "As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone. " so to say he wasn't speaking of justification requires quite a bit of defense. Especially considering he referred to the same justification of Abraham that Paul refers to. So what in the context of James causes you to say that James is speaking of "how men can see" rather than what justifying faith actually entails?

Abraham was justified by faith prior to works.

If Abraham was indeed justified by works, he had something to boast about, but not before God.
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Not to say that we don't grow and mature when it comes to self control and denying the flesh. But it's a process of growth and not an instantaneous pop. We strengthen the spirit with milk of the Word so we can possess the meat of the Word (works, the Word becoming flesh/manifesting tangibly in the world). There is a growth, from babes into maturity. But by sinless perfectionism logic a babe in Christ will be instantly fully skilled in the Word of God and walk right off the rib, having conquered the meat! I do not believe the claims of mastering the Word of God instantly, and having not wrestled the flesh, as was claimed earlier. I know that when I started following Jesus that the flesh threw quite a tantrum, because where things used to go smoothly, now there was opposition. Any sin or bad habit you want to break, the flesh fights back. For some things it's an easy victory. Sometimes it's harder and struggle. But we eventually prevail.

But this isn't to have no sin, and I don't believe such claims from people, I think they are turning a blind eye to their errors when they do err. The scrutiny of the Holy Spirit is absolute, He can't tolerate a speck of sin or something being just slightly off the mark, it's not a hit it's a miss. To have no sin whatsoever and be perfect, it is a very high standard.

Yes, but his faith was made complete by his actions. They were of one accord, each testifying to the other. Before Abraham was "accounted righteous" in Genesis 15:6 he by faith left his home and all he had known. James isn't saying Abraham's works were meritorious, as it is God and God alone who saves us, but that the faith and works form a unified picture.

Abraham was still justified, by faith alone, prior to works. Works follow justification.

We are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which
God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10

What, precisely, in James do you see as leaning in that direction? James clearly states that "As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone. " so to say he wasn't speaking of justification requires quite a bit of defense. Especially considering he referred to the same justification of Abraham that Paul refers to. So what in the context of James causes you to say that James is speaking of "how men can see" rather than what justifying faith actually entails?

Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Justified before God

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath something of which to glory, but not before God.

God does not need action to justify. Abraham was justified by his faith

Was not Abraham, our father, justified by works, when he had offered Isaac, his son, upon the altar? (James 2:21)
He was justified before men/the world.
He was called the "Friend of God"

Last time I checked Romans 4 and Galatians 3 are not in James. I asked for context from James, but you demonstrate you're bringing the doctrine to James fully formed and then twisting James to suit your purpose and calling it "context."

Galatians 3:6
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Justified before God

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath something of which to glory, but not before God.

God does not need action to justify. Abraham was justified by his faith

Was not Abraham, our father, justified by works, when he had offered Isaac, his son, upon the altar? (James 2:21)
He was justified before men/the world.
He was called the "Friend of God"