In the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory.

Christ The King is on the Throne of Glory

The 12 apostles are going to be regenerated and so are the 12 tribes of Israel.

How many generations of the 12 tribes are going to be regenerated.

Question: are there passages that describe dead Jews coming back to life

Matthew 19:27-28 King James Version (KJV)

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

God has one people, (The Church)

You espouse man's teaching in (Dual Covenant Theology)

There is one covenant, that was finished in the New Testament of the Lord's blood upon Calvary

The only future for a Jew and All Men is salvation in that great name Jesus Christ.

Hello Rhern, I assume that you mean before the resurrection of the dead at the end of the age, yes If so, then outside of the Lord Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead, I can only think of one short passage describing such a thing .. Matthew 27:52-53.

Lazarus was brought back to life. We can't be sure what really happened to those in the latter case above, though it is the belief of some that they were actually resurrected, not simply brought back to life like Lazarus was (IOW, they received their glorified bodies at that point).

~Deut

rhern:

please tell me what Church Group/Denomination you worship with. I might better understand some of your beliefs through that knowledge. thanks

All will be brought back to life to spend eternity either upstairs or downstairs. Just wanted to paint the background in broadstroke. I don't believe that any can enter the Kingdom without being covered by the blood of Jesus.

Jesus said that the disciples would be rewarded in “the regeneration,” that is, in the new heaven and new earth.

He assured them that they would reign with Him and would receive a hundred times what they had given up for His sake. They would be rewarded for their sacrifice. They, simple blue-collar men—not the rich of the world—would judge the twelve tribes of Israel. ~Sproul, R. C. (2013). Matthew (p. 582).

The NIVUK translation should prove helpful here, I think

The only other use of παλιγγενεσία/paliggenesia ("regeneration" or "renewal") in the NT is Titus 3:5, but there it is used in reference to the new birth of individual believers.

~Deut
p.s. - for the sake of the discussion, here is the passage within a bit of context.

Now, regarding regeneration..........

FYI

What is regeneration in the Bible?

• Holman Bible Dictionary. Regeneration. (ree' gehn uhr ay' shuhn) The radical spiritual change in which God brings an individual from a condition of spiritual defeat and death to a renewed condition of holiness and life. The biblical doctrine of regeneration emphasizes God's role in making this spiritual change possible.

from the KJ Bible Dictionary:

regenerate
REGEN'ERATE, v.t. L. regenero; re and genero. See Generate.

1. To generate or produce anew; to reproduce.

Through all the soil a genial ferment spreads, regenerates the plants and new adorns the meads.

2. In theology, to renew the heart by a change of affections; to change the heart and affections from natural enmity to the love of God; to implant holy affections in the heart.

REGEN'ERATE, a. L. regeneratus.

1. Reproduced.

2. Born anew; renovated in heart; changed from a natural to a spiritual state.

Question: How does this differ from being "born again" when one is saved....???

Here is what a couple of my lexicons have to say, if anyone is interested (Strong's and Bauer's).

3824 παλιγγενεσία, παλινγενεσία [paliggenesia /pal·ing·ghen·es·ee·ah/] n f. From 3825 and 1078; TDNT 1:686; TDNTA 117; GK 4098 and 4100; Two occurrences; AV translates as “regeneration” twice. 1 new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration. 1A hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. The word often used to denote the restoration of a thing to its pristine state, its renovation, as a renewal or restoration of life after death. 1B the renovation of the earth after the deluge. 1C the renewal of the world to take place after its destruction by fire, as the Stoics taught. 1D the signal and glorious change of all things (in heaven and earth) for the better, that restoration of the primal and perfect condition of things which existed before the fall of our first parents, which the Jews looked for in connection with the advent of the Messiah, and which Christians expected in connection with the visible return of Jesus from heaven. 1E other uses. 1E1 of Cicero’s restoration to rank and fortune on his recall from exile. 1E2 of the restoration of the Jewish nation after exile. 1E3 of the recovery of knowledge by recollection.

~Strong, J. (1995). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon.

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παλιγγενεσία, ας, ἡ (Plut., Mor. 722D does not assign the use of this word to Democritus; it is found first in Neanthes [200 BC]: 84 fgm. 33 Jac.; Memnon [I BC/I AD]: 434 fgm. 1, 40, 2 Jac.; Cicero, Ad Attic. 6, 6, also a t.t. of the Pythagoreans and Stoics [EZeller, Philosophie der Griechen I5 1892, 442; III 14 ’02, 158; HDiels, Doxographi Graeci 1879, p. 469, 11ff] as well as of the Mysteries of Dionysus [Orph. Fragmente 205 p. 225 OKern ’22] and of Osiris [Plut., De ει apud Delph. 9 p. 389A, De Isid. et Osir. 35 p. 364F; 72 p. 379E, De Def. Orac. 51 p. 438D, De Esu Carn. 1, 7 p. 996C; 2, 4 p. 998C. Cf. Lucian, Encom. Musc. 7]. It is found in the Herm. Wr. [3, 3; 13, 1 ὁ τῆς παλιγγενεσίας λόγος; 13, 3 al.—JKroll, Die Lehren des Hermes Trismegistos ’14, 360ff; Prümm 559-61]; Fluchtaf. 4, 18 ὁ θεὸς ὁ τῆς παλινγενεσίας Θωβαρραβαυ; PLond. 878 δῶρον παλινγενεσίας; Philo, Cher. 114, Poster. Caini 124, Leg. ad Gai. 325; Jos., Ant. 11, 66)rebirth, regeneration.

1. of the world—a. after the Deluge (so Philo, Mos. 2, 65, while the idea of the παλιγγενεσία of the κόσμος is gener. Stoic and originated w. the Pythagoreans: M.Ant. 11, 1, 3; Philo, Aet. M. 47; 76) Νῶε παλ. κόσμῳ ἐκήρυξεν 1 Cl 9:4.
b. eschatol., of the renewing of the world in the time of the Messiah (Schürer II4 636ff; Bousset, Rel.3 280ff) ἐν τῇ παλ. in the new (Messianic) age or world Mt 19:28.

2. of the rebirth of a redeemed person (cf. Heraclit., Ep. 4, 4 ἐκ παλιγγενεσίας ἀναβιῶναι; Herm. Wr., loc. cit. and PGM 4, 718 where the initiate calls himself πάλιν γενόμενος): λουτρὸν παλιγγενεσίας καὶ ἀνακαινώσεως πνεύματος ἁγίου bath of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit Tit 3:5 (MDibelius, Hdb., exc. ad loc.; EGSelwyn, I Pt ’46, 306f; ADNock, JBL 52, ’33, 132f).—PGennrich, Die Lehre v. d. Wiedergeburt in dogmengeschichtl. und religionsgeschichtl. Beleuchtung ’07; AvHarnack, Die Terminologie der Wiedergeburt: TU 42, 3, ’18, p. 97-143; ADieterich, Eine Mithrasliturgie ’03, 157ff; Rtzst., Mysterienrel.3 indices; HRWilloughby, Pagan Regeneration ’29; VJacono, La παλιγγενεσία in S. Paolo e nel ambiente pagano: Biblica 15, ’34, 369-98; JDey, Παλιγγενεσία (on Tit 3:5) ’37; JYsebaert, Gk. Baptismal Terminology, ’62, 90ff; FBüchsel, TW I 685-8. M-M.*

~Arndt, W., Gingrich, F. W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (1979). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature

A Double Amen, Amen!

This is one passage that, no matter how much any Christian believes that the 4 Gospels also applied to them, they will somehow exclude this particular passage.

Why should it be excluded? It says 12 thrones .... 12 apostles.. Not for us this passage.

You already agreed its not for us, so obviously it is excluded right?

Ive never met anyone who would think that verse applies to anyone except the specifically mentioned 12 apostles? You cant have it apply to thousands of people when there are only 12 tribes, ONE apostle for each tribe to judge over.

So the question is, if we agree that some parts of the 4 gospels were only for the 12, what about the other parts?

Which parts apply to us, which parts do not?

John 20:23?
Mark 16:16-18?

The gospels are for the 12 tribes of Israel, the Church is the Israel Of God.

(The Twelve Tribes Is The Church)

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

(Israel The Church)

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Its quite easy to figure it out, Mark 16 says these signs follow them that BELIEVE. The command to be baptized is for everyone.

If we took this logic and ran with it, none of the Pauline epistles apply either, they were written to the Corinthians, Colossians etc. Nothing applies to us

https://www.gotquestions.org/John-20-23.html

Acts 11:19
Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and

Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

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Good day, Deuteronomy!

Here is my understanding regarding this: As was with Lazarus, so it is with those who came out of the tombs and went into Jerusalem. As well as Jairus daughter and everyone else who was brought back to life. They were resurrected back into their mortal bodies only to die again. No believer has yet been raised to receive their immortal and glorified bodies. This is what the spirits in heaven are waiting for, while those who are still alive are looking to be changed and caught up, immortal and glorified. The next group is the church.

"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each (group) in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."

Christ the first fruits; then, when He comes, those who belong to Him," infers that there will not be anyone resurrected immortal and glorified in between Christ's resurrection and the churches.