What translation has the exact words of God preserved for English speakers?
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If I read it in english, but Im not a KJVOnlyist.
Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
As you can see the quote doesnt match. You know why? Because the New Testament authors didnt quote the masoretic text, they quote the Septuagint, the greek OT, in which that "a body has thou prepared me" part is included.
This alone should make the inspired KJV translation thing go away. The translators themselves if you read teh preface of KJV said it was just a good translation, and they made it to update the language, just like we do today. They wanted to improve upon the previous translations, which most people who held to the Geneva Bible would probably look at the same way as you guys do ESV today.
English hasnt changed as much as some languages, but if you go to the scandinavian countries or Finland or Estonia, you will notice the language is so different that a 1500s translation would be absolutely understandable in todays language, even the TYPING was different! f was s and so on.
Hebrews 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Psalm 40:6
Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
As you can see the quote doesnt match. You know why? Because the New Testament authors didnt quote the masoretic text, they quote the Septuagint, the greek OT, in which that "a body has thou prepared me" part is included.
This alone should make the inspired KJV translation thing go away. The translators themselves if you read teh preface of KJV said it was just a good translation, and they made it to update the language, just like we do today. They wanted to improve upon the previous translations, which most people who held to the Geneva Bible would probably look at the same way as you guys do ESV today.
English hasnt changed as much as some languages, but if you go to the scandinavian countries or Finland or Estonia, you will notice the language is so different that a 1500s translation would be absolutely understandable in todays language, even the TYPING was different! f was s and so on.
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Huh?
You spoke with Paul?
You spoke with Paul?
I know why because I talked to Paul about this. David was under the Laws and even David loved the law and delighted in it. So David was explaining things from his perspective and Paul was explaining things from his perspective. According to the age and era they were living in. According to the age of Grace.
Today with the virus the "Jewish" people are going through a time when they are not able to fully observe their religious observations. They do the best they can with what they have to work with even if they have to make substitutions. Because they know that these are just lessons to learn from and the ceremony itself is not what God requires.
We know that God does not require sacrifices because He made the sacrifice. Just as Abraham did not have to sacrifice his son because Jesus was sacrificed for us.
Today with the virus the "Jewish" people are going through a time when they are not able to fully observe their religious observations. They do the best they can with what they have to work with even if they have to make substitutions. Because they know that these are just lessons to learn from and the ceremony itself is not what God requires.
We know that God does not require sacrifices because He made the sacrifice. Just as Abraham did not have to sacrifice his son because Jesus was sacrificed for us.
Literally the most disjointed and ridiculous posts I have read.,
First @Kolistus, I read Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek well! I like languages, and even got the Outstanding a Greek Student award in seminary.
@JohnR7 - The first letter in the Hebrew alphabet is Aleph. Unless you need a letter with a sound, and then you would be partially right- the letter Bet. There is no letter B in Hebrew. It's really a mistake to call Hebrew letters with English names. Especially Bet! In order for it to be Bet it needs a dot in the Center (begad kepat letters). That gives it a hard sound, rather than the soft Vet sound.
I have studied Hebrew and have a lot of Hebrew tools, and never heard that Bet stands for a tent or dwelling or a gimel stands for ben. Bet does start ben, but you are not saying that!
Then you start talking about Jesus and books?? What does that have to do with Hebrew letters? I agree with what John says, about all the other things Jesus did have not been written And not enough books to contain them. But, God left us with the Bible for guidance. We don't need all those other deeds, because God has judged the Bible is what we need!! All we need!
My advice is to take a real course in Biblical Hebrew, instead of listening to rabbis from any tradition, including the Kabbalists!
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It was a literary critique, which I showed step by step why my comment was true. Half of what you said was nonsense, the rest was disconnected from what you were saying, with no transition from one topic to another, WITHIN the same paragraph.
You may understand what you meant, but you did not explain it clearly enough for me to understand.
Further, I was responding to what you said to me. If you don't want me to respond, then don't quote me, address me or argue with me. Then I will have no reason to respond to you!
You may understand what you meant, but you did not explain it clearly enough for me to understand.
Further, I was responding to what you said to me. If you don't want me to respond, then don't quote me, address me or argue with me. Then I will have no reason to respond to you!
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I did not read what you said because of your opening statement. My father was a medical doctor. He served our community for over 50 years. He use to give people handouts that were actually just a copy of an article. Looking back on that now about half of the advice in those handouts were nonsense. But the other half was good advice. If you can go to a medical doctor and half of what he tells you is valid then you are doing pretty good. That is why my dad and my brother are loved and respected by the community because they are able to help people.
If we read the research then we can validate what we say because our hypothesis has been tested before we share it with people. So I would suggest that you are the one talking nonsense and judging me for what YOU are guilty of. Or perhaps you would like to share with me the peer reviewed articles to validate what you are saying to establish that you are not talking nonsense. Give me your footnotes and show me your sources.
If we read the research then we can validate what we say because our hypothesis has been tested before we share it with people. So I would suggest that you are the one talking nonsense and judging me for what YOU are guilty of. Or perhaps you would like to share with me the peer reviewed articles to validate what you are saying to establish that you are not talking nonsense. Give me your footnotes and show me your sources.
If you deny Christ, He will deny you. "If we deny Him, He also will deny us" (2Timothy2:12) If people not see Christ in Kabbalah then they are blind. Even the "Jewish" see it, they just avoid talking about it. There is an article on Wiki if you want to do a study on Christian Kabbalah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Kabbalah
Right now I am just doing a study on the Hebrew letters and Jesus is the word of God. There is a lot more "antichrist" in the Church then there is in Kabbalah. I am a little worried about you sense people are always guilty of what they accuse others of. Perhaps you are the one that need to get the victory over the devil.
Do you know Jesus as your personal saviour? Are you saved, born again and filled with the Holy Spirit. Are you attending a church that is alive for God or are you attending a dead church somewhere?
Right now I am just doing a study on the Hebrew letters and Jesus is the word of God. There is a lot more "antichrist" in the Church then there is in Kabbalah. I am a little worried about you sense people are always guilty of what they accuse others of. Perhaps you are the one that need to get the victory over the devil.
Do you know Jesus as your personal saviour? Are you saved, born again and filled with the Holy Spirit. Are you attending a church that is alive for God or are you attending a dead church somewhere?
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Then you have a lot to learn and your study has not begun yet. I suppose a lot of people will not learn this until they get to Heaven. I was a Christian for 40 years before I began my study of this.
The letter represents dwelling. AT the time they Hebrew Children were living in a tent.
Bet (letter)
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This article is about the Semitic letter. For the use of this letter in mathematics, see Beth number.
← AlephBetGimel →
Phoenician
Bet
Hebrew
ב
Aramaic
Bet
Syriac
ܒ
Arabic
ب
Phonemic representation b, v
Position in alphabet 2
Numerical value 2
Alphabetic derivatives of the Phoenician
Greek
Latin
B
Cyrillic
В Б
Bet, Beth, Beh, or Vet is the second letter of the Semitic abjads, including Phoenician Bēt Phoenician beth.svg, Hebrew Bēt ב, Aramaic Bēth Beth.svg, Syriac Bēṯ ܒ, and Arabic Bāʾ ب. Its sound value is a voiced bilabial stop ⟨b⟩ or a voiced labiodental fricative ⟨v⟩.
The letter's name means "house" in various Semitic languages (Arabic bayt, Akkadian bītu, bētu, Hebrew: bayiṯ, Phoenician bt etc.; ultimately all from Proto-Semitic *bayt-), and appears to derive from an Egyptian hieroglyph of a house by acrophony.
The letter represents dwelling. AT the time they Hebrew Children were living in a tent.
Bet (letter)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigationJump to search
This article is about the Semitic letter. For the use of this letter in mathematics, see Beth number.
← AlephBetGimel →
Phoenician
Bet
Hebrew
ב
Aramaic
Bet
Syriac
ܒ
Arabic
ب
Phonemic representation b, v
Position in alphabet 2
Numerical value 2
Alphabetic derivatives of the Phoenician
Greek
Latin
B
Cyrillic
В Б
Bet, Beth, Beh, or Vet is the second letter of the Semitic abjads, including Phoenician Bēt Phoenician beth.svg, Hebrew Bēt ב, Aramaic Bēth Beth.svg, Syriac Bēṯ ܒ, and Arabic Bāʾ ب. Its sound value is a voiced bilabial stop ⟨b⟩ or a voiced labiodental fricative ⟨v⟩.
The letter's name means "house" in various Semitic languages (Arabic bayt, Akkadian bītu, bētu, Hebrew: bayiṯ, Phoenician bt etc.; ultimately all from Proto-Semitic *bayt-), and appears to derive from an Egyptian hieroglyph of a house by acrophony.
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Well, then the KJV is not the word of God according to your own definition! I believe that any good translation can be called the Word of God. Jesus quoted from the Septuagint and confirmed its validity. By today's standards it was not a very linguistically good translation, but Jesus still used it. If Jesus came today, he would not be a KJV-onlyist! (My opinion! )
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Did you read the post I wrote about this? Paul used the word: "right" or righteous when he was quoting David in the Psalms. But David used the word Good. So I asked the question how could Paul change the word from good to right? As it turns out Paul explained this to me himself in person. Although I suppose you would call this a vision or perhaps just my imagination.