Not By Works

Someone joins this site, immediately jumps into this thread and defends a member who consistently causes strife raises my suspicions.

Suspicion is one thing. Direct accusation is another.
You could have simply asked, to see what his response was.

FTR, I do not believe it's SAC. He has a different belief system than him.

I cannot undo the fact that I am my father's daughter.

There is distinction between what I can choose and what I can actually do.

So really your whole argument is moot, because it outside reality, God chastises and disciplines His children even in their wrong thinking... you have no free will against that either.

New King James Version
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:31

END of DEBATE

If I asked this new member if he is in fact an old member who has just been banned do you honestly think he would have admitted to it? No, he wouldn’t have. Perhaps you are correct in your latter assessment but I still believe it is a previously banned member.

If I asked this new member if he is in fact an old member who has just been banned do you honestly think he would have admitted to it? No, he wouldn’t have. Perhaps you are correct in your latter assessment but I still believe it is a previously banned member.

As do I. And I find it strange that someone new to this site would give a rebuttle for many posts, especially if they did not know anyone here.

But everything you have made clear to me proves one thing, I am predestined. If I am saved, it was because God first gave me the faith to believe and accept Him, then from there I became eternally saved even if/when I sin.

So, if that is a done deal, it would have to work on the other end of the spectrum. Those who never accepted God and will never accept Him are so because of predestination. God may indeed give everyone a chance, but for those who accept compared to those who don't seem as their paths were already laid out for them.

Because you have proven I really never had Free will because i was going to be one of those who accept God. And those who never accept God don't have Free Will because they were never going to accept God.

Thank you for clarifying this!

You may not be aware that such accusations, at least in the past, have
been grounds for the accuser to be banned.

You are very new yourself, so I'm sure you didn't know.

You may not be aware that such accusations, at least in the past, have
been grounds for the accuser to be banned.

You are very new yourself, so I'm sure you didn't know.

You know I had a feeling all along you playing a bit of a game here... I was not fooled.
Who are you really??????


I have proven nothing of the sort... people have a will and people can and do make choices every day.
No one believes we have absolute free will, free will is not power to recreate reality.
Once a person is saved we enter into a relationship with God and we are adopted and sons.
It does not take away our will.

I am not impressed with your little game btw

And I will come back with more on you above post once I compose myself.

I am thinking this is towards me. Anyone filled with the Spirit of God could see how you were hammering that poster over the Fruit of the Spirit being taken out of context. I would have to sear my consciousness and disobey the Holy Spirit to ignore it.

But everything you have made clear to me proves one thing, I am predestined. If I am saved, it was because God first gave me the faith to believe and accept Him, then from there I became eternally saved even if/when I sin.

So, if that is a done deal, it would have to work on the other end of the spectrum. Those who never accepted God and will never accept Him are so because of predestination. God may indeed give everyone a chance, but for those who accept compared to those who don't seem as their paths were already laid out for them.

Because you have proven I really never had Free will because i was going to be one of those who accept God. And those who never accept God don't have Free Will because they were never going to accept God.

Thank you for clarifying this!

I am thinking this is towards me. Anyone filled with the Spirit of God could see how you were hammering that poster over the Fruit of the Spirit being taken out of context. I would have to sear my consciousness and disobey the Holy Spirit to ignore it.

Now I am playing a game? I believe exactly like you do. I just asked if it worked one way does it work to the other end of the spectrum.

I am an older

What I do know is deception. A brand new member coming into this thread doing nothing but defending people who do you little more than cause animosity has been here before.

I am only responding to this just long enough to say you should know without a doubt whether or not someone is directing a post towards you. This is twice you have slandered my posts and made an assumption about me.

Not one one thing I wrote supports predestination in the Calvinist sense of the word.

I definitely believe this towards me. How and who did I defend? Didn't I go another route in order to get that poster to relax and basically confess they made a mistake? What i witnessed from some were getting nowhere. All I did was approach it the same way Christ said, those without sin may cast the first stone.

While protecting the persistent slanderer. Ain’t that interesting.