Not By Works

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EleventhHour

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15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:15-17


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 10:17


29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:26
 
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preacher4truth said:
With all due respect you're going against your own professed beliefs and are conveniently customizing them to suit yourself. Since your teaching that willful sin means loss of salvation to whomever commits it, you don't get to exempt yourself from your own biblical beliefs because you're you.

That is exactly what you're doing. You've been dogmatic towards others that willful sin, Hebrews 10:26 means loss of salvation, yet you've granted yourself a pardon. Eternal truth doesn't work that way.
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"let God be true and every man a liar"


if we knew the WHOLE truth then all things would match up for us in Scripture and in everyone's Beliefs ( of those who knew the whole truth). ☺


"... For now we see through a glass darkly"


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We should all let the truth and Implications of that Truth sink in ( of those who haven't Yet).



and also, this Truth: "when I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways."
 
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Duskey said:
I thank God for His unmerited grace.
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Amen ...

Romans 5:15-17 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
 
Fastfredy0

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Chester said:
I did not say we do nothing to be saved! I said we are not saved by works.
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So, are you saying we do something to be saved? Define "work". Please use a dictionary. I suppose, if you don't want to use a dictionary you can ...but give the authority to substantiate your definition please.
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
If we do nothing to be saved, then why are some saved and not others?
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what could you do to possibly be saved?

If two people are drowning and a rescuer goes to rescue them and one of them is saved and one is not. Why did this happen? if the rescuer was totally able to save both?
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
So, are you saying we do something to be saved? Define "work". Please use a dictionary. I suppose, if you don't want to use a dictionary you can ...but give the authority to substantiate your definition please.
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No, I am not saying that we need to "do something to be saved" - so I do not need to define any words since I did not say that . . .
LOL! Nor did I say that we "do not do something to be saved". What I did was quote four verses and then summarize by saying this:

"Reaffirming the basic thrust of this thread: We are saved by grace through faith and not by works: Scripture is clear on this truth. "
 
Fastfredy0

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eternally-gratefull said:
If two people are drowning and a rescuer goes to rescue them and one of them is saved and one is not. Why did this happen? if the rescuer was totally able to save both?
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I don't see how answering will determine anything...but, because the rescuer loved one person and the other murdered his son and the rescuer wanted justice.

By the way, hi.
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
I don't see how answering will determine anything...but, because the rescuer loved one person and the other murdered his son and the rescuer wanted justice.

By the way, hi.
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I don't get what you are trying to convey here.

Are you saying the rescuer only loved the person who did not murder his son?
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
If we do nothing to be saved, then why are some saved and not others?
What's your thoughts on this?
BillG said:
What's your thoughts on this?
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If we do nothing for salvation
.....then there is another cause or causes determining whom is saved or not.

Work is defined as effort to achieve a purpose...something else is extending effort to achieve a purpose. That purpose is to save some only or the power to save is limited
 
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Blue_Of_Lake said:
"let God be true and every man a liar"


if we knew the WHOLE truth then all things would match up for us in Scripture and in everyone's Beliefs ( of those who knew the whole truth). ☺


"... For now we see through a glass darkly"


⬆


We should all let the truth and Implications of that Truth sink in ( of those who haven't Yet).



and also, this Truth: "when I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways."
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So you "cherry pick" isolated verses from Romans, 1 Corinthians, 1 Peter, 1 John, and Matthew from different translations and string them together to form some personal doctrine that you want others to accept? Seriously?

As far as I'm concerned your post not only proves nothing but makes you look foolish.
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
Agreed, you don't have to answer my questions.
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Obviously, we all need to be careful here --- !!!! I wrote the first post here after Oncefallens's post realizing I could get axed!

But I wanted to confirm the basic premise of this thread: that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works.

I was and am not trying to say any more than that!
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
I don't see how answering will determine anything...but, because the rescuer loved one person and the other murdered his son and the rescuer wanted justice.

By the way, hi.
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well that would mean the rescuer is not as pure as the god of heaven.

When you think of an answer, try to use God as the rescuer. And the world as the two people.

one is saved on is not.

I am retired coast guard. thats why I like to use this example. Because what a persons needs to do to actually be saved is different than many think

Oh and Hey brother :)
 
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Fastfredy0 said:
Fastfredy0 said:
If we do nothing to be saved, then why are some saved and not others?
What's your thoughts on this?

If we do nothing for salvation
.....then there is another cause or causes determining whom is saved or not.

Work is defined as effort to achieve a purpose...something else is extending effort to achieve a purpose. That purpose is to save some only or the power to save is limited
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yes, But sometimes we need to think outside the box. Gods ways are not the ways of man.

Man think he must work to save himself.
 
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