Not By Works

No, the very gospel is that we “are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith. (Romans 3:24-25, NRSV)

There is not the slightest hint here that once having been justified, we will not return to our sin and no longer be in a saved state. Let us not forget that salvation is salvation from sin (Matt. 1:21)—and that all too many Christians return to their sin.

2 Peter 2:15. Forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing,
16. but was rebuked for his own transgression; a dumb ass spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet's madness.
17. These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm; for them the nether gloom of darkness has been reserved.
18. For, uttering loud boasts of folly, they entice with licentious passions of the flesh men who have barely escaped from those who live in error.
19. They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption; for whatever overcomes a man, to that he is enslaved.
20. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire. (RSV)

What contex are you talking about that I missed? They came to Jesus saying Lord (acknowledge him as Lord) and he said he didn’t know them. What is the missed contex?

Where did Jesus day to them that those who know him give to others in need and not steal? I mean it’s true but I don’t recall any saying by him those who love him don’t steal.

Since Jesus knew what was in Judas’ heart he knew him. There is more than just him knowing one apparently.

Ok Lafftur,

You answer doesn’t address the question I asked. Everyone knows martyrs are special to God but that doesn’t answer the question why they go through that so unnecessarily if OSAS is true.

Jesus said he who endures to the end will be saved. Why if it makes no difference?

Magneta.......Jesus knows everyone he knows the heart of everyone,......am I right in saying that he knows everyone,but not all that he knows are born again?

Just to break the ice (literally in South Africa today ) here is a fun fact I have shared before.

The difference between Hebrew and Greek names are many times just an S changed to P, like Saul and Paul or a small change somewhere in name.

Now the brother who sold Joseph was Judah and the disciple who sold out Jesus was Judas. Judas is the Greek translation for Judah

The passage about Jesus not knowing some is in Matt. chapter 7. Chapter 25 we can assume was taught days if not years later. Chapter 25 is not at all later in chapter 7 as you said above.

Later in chapter 7 he tells of the wise virgins who refuses to give. He talks of the different servants whose gift he gave to one was indeed taken away because he did not do the masters request. Also not giving but taken away. So where in 7 is the passage about giving you speak of?
The second command is to love others as you love yourself. Doesn’t use the word works and isn’t exclusive to giving or works so that has nothing to
do with the verse in 7.

You should avoid using that passage anyway for your position because the whole reads,

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

They called him lord which you insist Judas refused to do and so wasn’t saved. Even worse, it says he who does the will of the Father will enter the kingdom of Heaven. Doesn’t say he who is once saved and therefore always saved.

As I said, your theology requires isolating scripture and pasting them together. One sentence in Matt 7 is pasted to one in Matt 25 to come up with the theology.

You do realize that there were two disciples named Judas right?

Also a fun fact! Nice

Saying "Lord" does not mean they were saved.

What is most apparent to me by your posts is you refute what have not even comprehended.

What have not yet comprehended... The Gospel.

Jesus said this in relation to the tribulation, in reference to be saved physically from death and entering the kingdom with him

context. Why is this so hard to understand?

So if you endure, that is, don’t die and denying the faith and taking the mark is the best way not to die (“endure” to you) you won’t die (be saved.) If you die, however, like because you refused the mark, well then you won’t be saved cause you didn’t “endure” (die.)

Absurd answer. “If you don’t die you won’t die” essentially.

Do what?

your reasoning to deny what Jesus said is nonsensical.

tribulation is the context.

who would not want to endure that suffering to witness the return of Christ and enter his kingdom with him?

M said Judas wasn’t saved as evidenced by him not calling Jesus Lord.

Taking the mark is then the best way. You think that’s ok?

Jesus said nothing about that in Mathew. Please stick to the subject. Jesus is talking about THE END times

Amen! John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

John 18:9 - that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, "Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none." Jesus did not lose Judas. Judas was already lost. Judas was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11).

Syllogism

1. All given by the Father to Jesus are kept.
2. Judas was not kept.
3. Judas was not given to Jesus by the Father

Or, this way.

1. None of those given to Jesus by the Father will be lost by Jesus.
2. Judas is lost.
3. Judas was not given to Jesus by the Father.

While I was reading this I was thinking how many are in the church today... aaah brother Dan this is a sad post indeed my friend

Also knowledgeable.