Not By Works

I agree DorothyMae.the Red Cross is rather petty.......fruit is really showing on this thread.

I feel some try and cyber bully you into believing them...there are 3 members in particular

By the way....God,s law didn’t lead me to Christ.....repentance,sorrow and making a mess of my life led me to God.....I cried out to Jesus....that is when the Holy Spirit came into my body and testified to my spirit who he was....my spirit recognised him instantly......Praise God.......I became a new creation a wonderful gift from God......to have God as your Father is the biggest honour anyone can receive.

Life Through The Spirit.

Romans 8:16

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Now if we are children,then we are heirs- heirs of God and co - heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

LOL, you just asked one of the most SENIOR, born again Christians, if he is born again. PICK ME, PICK ME! I too am one of the most SENIOR, born again Christians on the board.

Here is what it is like to get old:



NO FUN getting old.

You are as young as you feel. Age does not matter my brother.

LOL......Nice picture.

The thing is he may be a senior.....but he doesn’t seem to grasp what I mean when I post.

No disrespect sir.....but being a senior member means nothing to me.....it is what is typed that concern me.

Also with rudeness on this site.....yes the Lord changes us....but I do believe we must want to change...for him to work in us....that is how it was for me.....I was the rudest person on the planet at one time....I hated being that way as I believe it upsets God and brings no glory to him what so ever .what do you believe?

Thanks so much Jackierose! Your name says rose but you’re a peach.

The test of a person’s love is not how they behave towards those who share their thinking but how they respond when others disagree.

Amen!.......

Very Christian like....being accused of being trolls.....because we disagree with some of their teaching.

It reminds me of a parent who pushes their child’s face in their dinner,because they don’t like it,so refuse to eat it....and the parent shouts... “You Will Eat It”..it’s called control......thank you Lord that you are the one leading me.

hello all!! so, I intend to read this thread from 1 because I think this is a really important doctrinal matter; however, before I read everything, I do want to say that I have sifted through a lot of the recent posts and have noticed a lot of tension. By no means am I trying to impose myself on discussions that I have not been a part of, especially as a new member. It was, though, kind of heart breaking to read the way people were interacting and communicating on this thread over a mere difference of opinion. Yes, it is important, and I am not denying that. I just don't want everyone to be blinded by the fact that we are all FAMILY in Christ. And we are here to edify one another, build one another up, and learn from each other. We should be learning and teaching with and IN absolute love. Conversations like this are healthy and build us up. This is good. They become unhealthy, though, when seemingly rude comments and criticisms become a consistent part of the conversation.

I really don't want to be attacked and no one should feel like that's even a possibility on this CHRISTIAN forum. Romans 14:19 tells us to pursue what makes for peace and "mutual upbuilding." Hebrews 12 tells us to strive for peace with everyone [v. 14], 2 Timothy 2 tells us to avoid irreverent babble because it will lead people into deeper ungodliness [v. 16], Proverbs 18 shares with us that those who answer before they hear have the true folly and shame [v. 13]. I am truly, again, not trying to insert myself into business that isn't mine, point blame, or approach this with a "holier than thou" attitude. I just wanted to remind everyone that it is okay to disagree and feel differently about something, as long as we are taking the time to LISTEN to the other side. We can all have a peaceful and edifying convo without arguing and pushing people away!! I know one thing: I didnt come on this forum JUST to share what I think and make it about my thoughts - I came here to learn, and discuss, and discover, and see things in a way I wouldnt normally so that I could familiarize myself with the thoughts of my brothers and sisters. I am looking forward to talking further about this topic [hopefully NICELY] after I complete reading the thread.

Remember, "Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another" [Proverbs 27:17].

God bless everyone!!

Please show me how to answer step by step, the way you just answered me.
You are right about the renewal part,my mind was partially renewed, hence, I received Jesus. However, my life did not drastically change on the spot. Still had my old habits.
I need enough faith to be saved?
How much faith did you have?

I will listen to Paul, and pray you do also

Gal 3:
Purpose of the Law
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

not sure why everyone wants to go back to the tutor, or declair the tutor is something it is not.

again, the law had a putpose

bringing you to god was the purpose. Not bringing you closer

if you are trying to find obedience in the law and think you are obedient, you have mistranslated the law.

all the law can do is show you how sinful you are and Gods answer and response to that sin. People who look to the law and think they are obedient have not been trained by the law, like the pharisee, they Think they are obedient when they are not.

jesus told us how to be obedient, I was praying so hard you would show what Jesus said, Paul had many instructions also, as did the rest of the NT writers,

I can pray you start listening to them,

what does this HS lead You to do?

ready john 3 - 6,

I was born again by faith, in receiving the living water that flowers to eternal life and eating the bread from heaven in whome one will eat and never die. I was given Gods assurance he will raise me on the last day, because like peter, I understood a Jesus had the words of eternal life. And I placed my faith in him, his words, and received his sacrifice by answering yes when he called me.

all I hear is how you think obedience comes from the law. And how good you think you are

yes, the spirit testifies, but I know many people who say this who have no fruit, and I do not see anything which woud she me they are a christian, all they do is tell everyone how obedient they are and how we all need to be like them. And judging those who are not,, just like the pharisees did

so paul was a liar? What lead you to repentance, how did you even know yu were a sinner. How could you possibly understand The cross was the sacrifice that washed you and made you white as snow?

i am not doubting your salvation I do not know I can not judge

i am questioning your means of sanctification though

1. You should not assume
2. I have a purpose in all my questions, it is you sir, who do not seem to grasp why I am answering. Certain questions

Do you have faith that the God you claimed to have saved you will continue what he started, that the food you ate will endure to eternal life, that as long as God lives you will live, because he is in you, that it is not your performance which will ultimately decide your eternal fate, but your faith, and that God, who you entrusted your eternity to is faithful? Do you as John said, KNOW that you possess eternal life. And your Abba father is there 24/7 when you need him, and no matter how bad you messed up you are free to go not in fear but with joy and peace and a sound mind. Because you know he loves you with the love only a father has.

Forgive those who attack and falsely accuse you.
Then you must be quite satisfied having assurance of your deepest desire. I am not in the least being sarcastic. I really mean it. You are likely quite satisfied.

this is where the translations are not guiding us correctly.


Every time God repented the word nacham is being used meaning God was sorry, have pity or compassion on us.

There is another word for repent and it is shuv (Eze 18:30), when we repent we should shuv which literally means to turn back, to return or go back. The Hebrew picture is to go in one direction and do a 180 degree turn moving into another direction. So we have to turn around and move back to the will of God.