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Ahwatukee

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Phoneman-777 said:
I'd like you to show me from Scripture where we are to stick rubber bands on the prophecy and add a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th Weeks, and also please point to one single numerically specific time prophecy where the fulfillment of it overran God's numerically specified (WE'RE TALKING NUMERICALLY SPECIFIC, NOT EVENT SPECIFIC HERE) period it was to end.

When you're done searching in vain, I'll be happy to show you how Jesus completely fulfilled the 70 Weeks prophecy perfectly, or you can read about it in Adam Clarke's commentary or Matthew Henry's commentary.
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Good day Phoneman!

Below is the scripture:
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And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.
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The 'he' in the verse above has to refer to the last person mentioned which is "the ruler of the people" in verse 26. It is he who establishes a covenant with Israel. We know this because the scripture states that he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease and sets up an abomination in the holy place. In Matthew 24:15, Jesus quoted from Daniel 9:27 saying, "So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel."

Since Jesus said, "when you see" this would infer a future event. From the time that He quoted it till the destruction of the temple, none of the criteria of that last seven yeas has been fulfilled:

* No seven year covenant has been made

* No abomination has been set up

* No desolation has taken place

* The decreed destruction has not been fulfilled upon that ruler, the antichrist

In addition, the last part of the verse is in regards to that 'ruler of the people' which is speaking of the antichrist, of whom destruction has been decreed upon at the end of that seven years has not yet taken place. This is in refence to what Paul said in the following:

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."

The ruler in Daniel 9:27 is that man of lawlessness that Paul speaks about who is that antichrist who will be cast into the lake of fire when the Lord returns to the earth, ergo, the decreed destruction that is poured out upon him."

If you don't have the fulfillment of the scripture--and all scripture must be fulfilled--, then this event must still be future. In fact, that seven year period which is divided into two 3 1/2 year periods, is referred to in Revelation as 1260 days, 42 months and a time, times and a half a time.

If you're looking for some scripture that comes right out and gives you the direct answer to these things, you are not going to find it. Understanding the deeper things of God requires addressing all related scriptures on the issue in order to get the big picture. The problem is that many people come with their claims and teachings with only partial information.

When the Anointed One was cut off, i.e. Christ crucified, which completed sixty nine of the seventy sevens, God paused that last seven and began to build His church which is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will appear and gather His church according to His promise in John 14:1-3 and I Thess.4:16-17. Once this has taken place, then God will pick up right where He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years, which will be initiated by that ruler/antichrist who will establish a seven year covenant with Israel, at the end of which the Lord will return to the earth and have the antichrist/beast and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire alive, which will be the fulfillment of the destruction that is to be poured out upon him. (Dan.9:27, Rev.19:20)

That last seven years is barreling down on us being even closer than it was before, which is the time of God's wrath. But before that seven years of wrath/tribulation begins, the church will be gathered and removed from the earth. Then that last seven years will commence with that antichrist establishing his seven year covenant.


FYI, the following is your error " you can read about it inAdam Clarke's commentary or Matthew Henry's commentary"
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
I agree that Preterism is as stupid as Futurism, because BOTH are Jesuit ideas! Hence the names Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit Futurism!

I am a Protestant Historicist.

>Historicism rightly teaches that Daniel's prophecy identifies the starting point of the 70 Weeks as "the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem" which was the comprehensive decree of Artaxerxes (which Cyrus' and Darius' decrees were not) in his seventh year reign (Ezra 7 KJV) which extra-Biblical archaeology has proven to be 457 B.C.

>It teaches the first "seven weeks" (49 years) saw the restoration of the streets (wide places), walls, temple, city of Jerusalem during the "troublous times" of Tobias and Sanballot and the rest of the enemy's of God. (Ezra 4 KJV; Nehemiah 2:17-20 KJV)

>It teaches that when the "seven weeks" and the subsequent "three score and two weeks" (69 Weeks) elapsed, Jesus was anointed/baptized as "Messiah the Prince", as evidenced by His soon following declaration "the time is fulfilled" which marked the end of the 69th Week and the beginning of the 70th Week and His 3 1/2 year ministry. Jesus was anointed/baptized in 27 A.D., as evidenced by Luke 3:1 KJV, which year was the only year those three reigned simultaneously and Luke's almost certain use of the Syro-Macedonian calendar confirms the year as 27 A.D, and if you doubt Luke, a Greek, used this calendar, read this: https://www.nowoezone.com/NTC06.htm

>It teaches that "after" the 69 Weeks, He was to be killed...which week followed the 69th Week? Yes, the 70th, which means His crucifixion was after the 69th Week and during the 70th Week, which means you cannot rip it up from the pages of history and send it down to the end of time if Jesus was crucified during that week! (Some of you Futurists are at least willing to admit this, and thus have modified your flawed idea to to allow at least half of the 70th Week to remain nailed down in history and speak of a "three and half years tribulation" which is still error, but nevertheless...).

>It teaches during which Jesus confirmed the covenant for seven years, first by Himself and through "them that heard Him" (Hebrews 2:3 KJV), was cut off in the midst of the week after 3 1/2 years of ministry and caused the sacrificial system of the Jews to cease forever to be of any significance in the sight of God (Matthew 27:51 KJV)

Like I said, He fulfilled every point of the prophecy, because prophecy is Christ centered, not Antichrist centered.
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Check your math. Your calculations do not total to 70 A.D. either. BTW, the decree of Artaxerses has been established as 445 BC. Adding 173,880 days brings us to the triumphal entry so-called.
And it is quite clear that Jesus superintended the timetable to arrive exactly on the precisely correct day. So far you've been 100% wrong 100% of the time. Over and out have a nice evening.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
I agree that Preterism is as stupid as Futurism, because BOTH are Jesuit ideas! Hence the names Jesuit Preterism and Jesuit Futurism!

I am a Protestant Historicist.

>Historicism rightly teaches that Daniel's prophecy identifies the starting point of the 70 Weeks as "the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem" which was the comprehensive decree of Artaxerxes (which Cyrus' and Darius' decrees were not) in his seventh year reign (Ezra 7 KJV) which extra-Biblical archaeology has proven to be 457 B.C.

>It teaches the first "seven weeks" (49 years) saw the restoration of the streets (wide places), walls, temple, city of Jerusalem during the "troublous times" of Tobias and Sanballot and the rest of the enemy's of God. (Ezra 4 KJV; Nehemiah 2:17-20 KJV)

>It teaches that when the "seven weeks" and the subsequent "three score and two weeks" (69 Weeks) elapsed, Jesus was anointed/baptized as "Messiah the Prince", as evidenced by His soon following declaration "the time is fulfilled" which marked the end of the 69th Week and the beginning of the 70th Week and His 3 1/2 year ministry. Jesus was anointed/baptized in 27 A.D., as evidenced by Luke 3:1 KJV, which year was the only year those three reigned simultaneously and Luke's almost certain use of the Syro-Macedonian calendar confirms the year as 27 A.D, and if you doubt Luke, a Greek, used this calendar, read this: https://www.nowoezone.com/NTC06.htm

>It teaches that "after" the 69 Weeks, He was to be killed...which week followed the 69th Week? Yes, the 70th, which means His crucifixion was after the 69th Week and during the 70th Week, which means you cannot rip it up from the pages of history and send it down to the end of time if Jesus was crucified during that week! (Some of you Futurists are at least willing to admit this, and thus have modified your flawed idea to to allow at least half of the 70th Week to remain nailed down in history and speak of a "three and half years tribulation" which is still error, but nevertheless...).

>It teaches during which Jesus confirmed the covenant for seven years, first by Himself and through "them that heard Him" (Hebrews 2:3 KJV), was cut off in the midst of the week after 3 1/2 years of ministry and caused the sacrificial system of the Jews to cease forever to be of any significance in the sight of God (Matthew 27:51 KJV)

Like I said, He fulfilled every point of the prophecy, because prophecy is Christ centered, not Antichrist centered.
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No I think you've got all of that wrong. It's pretty much an incoherent word salad. Ahwahtukee will sort it out for you. His analysis is correct and also matches my analysis perfectly, just to let you know.
 
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Good day Phoneman!

Below is the scripture:
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And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.
====================================================

The 'he' in the verse above has to refer to the last person mentioned which is "the ruler of the people" in verse 26. It is he who establishes a covenant with Israel. We know this because the scripture states that he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease and sets up an abomination in the holy place. In Matthew 24:15, Jesus quoted from Daniel 9:27 saying, "So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel."

Since Jesus said, "when you see" this would infer a future event. From the time that He quoted it till the destruction of the temple, none of the criteria of that last seven yeas has been fulfilled:

* No seven year covenant has been made

* No abomination has been set up

* No desolation has taken place

* The decreed destruction has not been fulfilled upon that ruler, the antichrist

In addition, the last part of the verse is in regards to that 'ruler of the people' which is speaking of the antichrist, of whom destruction has been decreed upon at the end of that seven years has not yet taken place. This is in refence to what Paul said in the following:

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."

The ruler in Daniel 9:27 is that man of lawlessness that Paul speaks about who is that antichrist who will be cast into the lake of fire when the Lord returns to the earth, ergo, the decreed destruction that is poured out upon him."

If you don't have the fulfillment of the scripture--and all scripture must be fulfilled--, then this event must still be future. In fact, that seven year period which is divided into two 3 1/2 year periods, is referred to in Revelation as 1260 days, 42 months and a time, times and a half a time.

If you're looking for some scripture that comes right out and gives you the direct answer to these things, you are not going to find it. Understanding the deeper things of God requires addressing all related scriptures on the issue in order to get the big picture. The problem is that many people come with their claims and teachings with only partial information.

When the Anointed One was cut off, i.e. Christ crucified, which completed sixty nine of the seventy sevens, God paused that last seven and began to build His church which is still in the process of being built. Once the church has been completed, the Lord will appear and gather His church according to His promise in John 14:1-3 and I Thess.4:16-17. Once this has taken place, then God will pick up right where He left off in fulfillment of that last seven years, which will be initiated by that ruler/antichrist who will establish a seven year covenant with Israel, at the end of which the Lord will return to the earth and have the antichrist/beast and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire alive, which will be the fulfillment of the destruction that is to be poured out upon him. (Dan.9:27, Rev.19:20)

That last seven years is barreling down on us being even closer than it was before, which is the time of God's wrath. But before that seven years of wrath/tribulation begins, the church will be gathered and removed from the earth. Then that last seven years will commence with that antichrist establishing his seven year covenant.


FYI, the following is your error " you can read about it inAdam Clarke's commentary or Matthew Henry's commentary"
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You are confused as to Who confirms the Covenant, but be confused no more:

  • Malachi calls Jesus "the Messenger of the Covenant..."
  • Paul told the Romans Jesus came to "confirm the promises", among which was the promise of the New Covenant.
  • Isaiah says God would give Jesus "for a Covenant unto the people, and for a light to the Gentiles."
  • Jesus said "this is My blood of the New Covenant which is shed for many".
  • Daniel says He (Jesus) would "confirm the Covenant with "many", as evidenced by Paul in Hebrews 2:3 KJV.
  • Paul says in Hebrews 2:3 KJV Jesus "confirmed" what the Bible calls the "New Covenant of salvation", first in Person and then through those that heard Him.
Isaiah, Paul, Malachi, and Daniel are talking about Jesus Christ, not Antichrist.


BTW, Job says Leviathan --which is Satan, the King over all the Children of Pride animalized -- DOES NOT make a covenant with God's people, right or wrong?


As for the "people of the prince that shall come", this either refers to either prince Titus and his army --- OR ---- Prince Jesus and the Jews. Titus' army destroyed Jerusalem with weapons and the Jews destroyed Jerusalem by throwing off the protecting hand of God by crucifying Jesus...nowhere is the antichrist mentioned in this verse; it is a figment of a Jesuit imagination.
 
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No I think you've got all of that wrong. It's pretty much an incoherent word salad. Ahwahtukee will sort it out for you. His analysis is correct and also matches my analysis perfectly, just to let you know.
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Incoherent? By all means, do tell. Is it the part about 457 B.C.? Can't be, cause that's been proven archaeologically. Jesus' baptism in 27 A.D.? Nope, the Syro-Macedonian calendar that was almost certainly used by Luke and everyone else in the region pinpoints the year that Jesus was baptized as the same year that was the only year Herod, Pilate, and Tiberius reigned simultaneously - as 27 A.D. Is it the decree of Artaxerxes as that to which the prophecy says would begin the 70 Weeks? Nope, that's solid exegesis too, seeing that both decrees of Cyrus and Darius lack the comprehensiveness as Artaxerxes' decree.

Please, do tell. Don't hurl stones at another man's ideas and then tag another team member to replace you in the ring :)
 
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we will not be compromised from any corner, come hell or high water...
 
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Incoherent? By all means, do tell. Is it the part about 457 B.C.? Can't be, cause that's been proven archaeologically. Jesus' baptism in 27 A.D.? Nope, the Syro-Macedonian calendar that was almost certainly used by Luke and everyone else in the region pinpoints the year that Jesus was baptized as the same year that was the only year Herod, Pilate, and Tiberius reigned simultaneously - as 27 A.D. Is it the decree of Artaxerxes as that to which the prophecy says would begin the 70 Weeks? Nope, that's solid exegesis too, seeing that both decrees of Cyrus and Darius lack the comprehensiveness as Artaxerxes' decree.

Please, do tell. Don't hurl stones at another man's ideas and then tag another team member to replace you in the ring :)
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Good heavens man 27 A.D. + 7 A.D. (70th week) = 34 A.D. And what's happened in 34 A.D.?

Absolutely nothing.

So even though your calendar and numbers are out of whack, and even using your numbers Daniels 70 weeks prophecy HAS FAILED, given that you propose that 70A.D. and the destruction of Jerusalem is the Great Tribulation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and the end of all biblical prophecy.

I mean that is just Wackadoo buddy.

BTW, 100% of what you posted was either erroneous or completely wrong. I mean that is just an incredibly hopeless batting average my friend.
 
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Oh how many people have I seen use this scripture! Regarding this, Jesus is praying for His disciples, otherwise, if He removed them from the earth, there would currently be no gospel here on the earth, because there would have been no one here to preach it. In addition, "that you should not take them out of the world" as in reference to that time and does not mean that believers would never be taken out of the world.
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So, according to your logic, Jesus had to pray and INFORM the Father that taking the disciples out of the world was a bad idea. I don't think so. C'mon, bro, Jesus Himself says in this passage that He's praying for "all" them that would believe on Him, not just the disciples, right? Even if you stubbornly refuse to accept that Jesus' prayer was not just limited to the disciples, we have many other examples like I've already shown you of God not removing His people FROM the trial, but protecting them THROUGH the trials, like Noah, Daniel, the Three Hebrew Worthies, Israel in Goshen, etc., etc., etc., as well as Old Testament prophecies talking about the plagues and the perishing wicked ON EVERY SIDE but not upon us.

All you have is Jesuit nonsense backed up by no Scripture, brother.
 
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Good heavens man 27 A.D. + 7 A.D. (70th week) = 34 A.D. And what's happened in 34 A.D.?

Absolutely nothing.

So even though your calendar and numbers are out of whack, and even using your numbers Daniels 70 weeks prophecy HAS FAILED, given that you propose that 70A.D. and the destruction of Jerusalem is the Great Tribulation spoken of by Daniel the prophet and the end of all biblical prophecy.

I mean that is just Wackadoo buddy.

BTW, 100% of what you posted was either erroneous or completely wrong. I mean that is just an incredibly hopeless batting average my friend.
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Wow! You really don't know what happened at the end of the 70th week, which is 34 A.D.?

The 70th week begins with Jesus' baptism in 27 A.D. and His proclamation "the time ("seven" and "threescore and two weeks") is fulfilled", according to Luke 3:1 using the Syro-Macedonian Calendar, and follows Jesus preaching of the New Covenant for 3 1/2 years to the Cross, and then closes with the the remaining 3 1/2 years of the disciples preaching the New Covenant exclusively to the Jews, after which the Gospel goes via Paul to the Gentiles.

To deny Luke's use of the Syro-Macedonian calendar back then in favor of another is the equivalent of a 23rd Century A.D. historian denying our modern use of the Gregorian calendar and suggesting we used the Hindu or Buddhist.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
We got a guy at work we call shifty cause he can't drive a stick...and another guy who got botched neck surgery that left his head a little tilted to one side...we call him "ten after six".
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ten after six?
a little tilted to one side?

:LOL:
 
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View attachment 213692

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The problem potentially with this is that Elon Musk is working on the chip integrating itself into the human body to become part of the human so that it connects to the brain; they will be programmable 😞 The Bible says if you take the mark you are NOT getting into Heaven... it doesn't say you can take it and then get rid if you change your mind. Maybe if folks have got to a point where they will take it, then they are already too far down the road of the Satanic system and it is too late for them.
 
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Butterflyyy said:
The problem potentially with this is that Elon Musk is working on the chip integrating itself into the human body to become part of the human so that it connects to the brain; they will be programmable 😞 The Bible says if you take the mark you are NOT getting into Heaven... it doesn't say you can take it and then get rid if you change your mind. Maybe if folks have got to a point where they will take it, then they are already too far down the road of the Satanic system and it is too late for them.
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You you really think that once you get this implant they are going to give you that option? (to get it removed). I don't think so...
 
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GaryA said:
I don't think you understand the joke well enough...

What is this all about???
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It is pretty obvious to me you are being called a d _ _ _ _ _ . . . :giggle:

And I blieve 1Christian1 did get the joke ;)
 
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1christian1 said:
You you really think that once you get this implant they are going to give you that option? (to get it removed). I don't think so...
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The point is that the OP is suggesting that people can cut it out themselves if they change their mind after having it....
 
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You you really think that once you get this implant they are going to give you that option? (to get it removed). I don't think so...
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Elon Musk implant is in the brain and has nothing to do with buying or selling ... is is a treatment for disease based on the neuro -electrical charge in the brain.
 
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Elon Musk implant is in the brain and has nothing to do with buying or selling ... is is a treatment for disease based on the neuro -electrical charge in the brain.
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Actually Elon Musk has said they are working on a chip integrating itself into the human body so it can send and receive messages to the brain.
No-one can say that this will have nothing to do with buying or selling in the future; especially considering the connection between him and Bill Gates.

To be honest I have no desire to have any dialogue with you as my experience of you on this forum is that you seem to be intentionally disagreeable toward me. I would rather you kindly ignore me.
 
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