"God loves everyone" - false

Could I ask my brothers and sisters to faithfully read the whole post and seek to understand, rather than have a knee jerk reaction to the thread title.
Sorry that I feel I have to say this, but the reaction I've got in other threads has been as a result of a reaction to the thread title from people who haven't sought to understand the thread content

There are many generalised expressions within our faith, that if you take the time to pick apart, just aren't true.
"God loves everyone" is one such false expression.
"Jesus died for everybody's sins" is another one, which is covered in another thread.

John 3:16 is always cited as support for "God loves everyone", but the verse does not say these words.
Below is the full passage that shows the context of the often referenced verse:


John 3:16:
"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten God. 19 And this is the condemnation that light is come into the world and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved"


Notice that the verse does not say "God loves everyone".
It says that whosoever believeth should not perish but have eternal life.

Verse 15 always seems to be left out of the "God loves everyone" message because it is restrictive, and does not suit the purpose of those who push the "God loves everyone" message.

"For God so loved the world" refers to the fact that Jesus was speaking to a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews (John 16:1) who believed that only the Jews were saved to the exclusion of the rest of the world. John 3:18 and 19 clear up any question about the matter.

"God loves everyone" is straight from the mind of satan and the ministers that serve him. In essence it teaches that man can lead a sinful life, violate the commandments of God daily, not fear him and still go to heaven.


At this point there may be a few people who will equate having to keep the commandments of God with preaching a 'salvation by works' doctrine, but this is not the case. Those who say this do so because they have no intention of trying to keep God's commandments, and so they seek to accuse.

John 14:15
"If you love me, keep my commandments".

John 15:14
"You are my friends if you do what I command you".

Ecclesiastes 12:13
"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man".


"God loves everyone" doctrine implies that man does not have to be accountable for his/her sins. It teaches that because "God loves everyone", that there is no need to fear him.

"God loves everyone", aka
"God loves and accepts everyone no matter what", "God's attributes are ONLY love and forgiveness for all", "God has no anger and is accepting of all behaviors".
False:

Rev 14:10
Jeremiah 25:15
Jude 14-15
Rev 14:11
Deut 32:22
Isaiah 30:33
2 Thes 1:6
2 Thes 1:8-9
Matthew 10:34-35
Matthew 7:21
Matthew 7:22-23
Matthew 12:30
Matthew 12:34-35
Matthew 12: 36-37
Matthew 15:8-9
Matthew 23:14
Matthew 23:15
Matthew 23:29-33
Mark 9:42-48
Mark 16:16
Luke 13:23-28
Luke 16:19-31
Luke 18:6-8
John 8:44
John 17:9
Rev 21:8
Isaiah 13:9
Isaiah 66:24
Psalms 7:11
Romans 1:18
1 Thes 5:3
2 Peter 2:9-10
Rev 6:10
Rev 6:15-17
Rev 20:12-15
Psalms 55:15

I could continue quoting scripture in order to reveal the true nature of God, which flies in the face of the "God loves everyone" doctrine, but I think 36 verses will suffice for now

Thanks once again to the moderation team for approving my post.

@preacher4truth @Sackcloth-N-Ashes - this is the new thread I started that I mentioned.

So God does not love his creation?

I think that pretty much says all we need to know

John 3: 16 says God so loved the world.

That quite clearly states he loved all of his creation.. The bible says he even loves the birds, enough he feeds them. So why would he HATE the world?

He hates sin, yes..

But the sinner?

He died for the sinner.. Because he loved them, willing that NON should perish.

You're doing the same thing as you did in the other thread: not actually reading the OP.
Please read the OP and you will understand.

I read your OP, top to bottom and I don't agree.

OK, can you provide scriptural evidence that says I'm wrong?

so if I read the op (which I did by the way) I will automatically agree with you? Is this what you are saying?

You supplied alot of the scripture. It is your interpretation of some of the scripture (like john 3: 16) you used to support your view which people disagree with.

Just like in the other thread (heb 10)

Likewise, it is your misreading of John 3:16 that tells you "God loves everyone", which it does not say.

The word "world" in these verses are not pointing only to those who believe unto everlasting life, but also to those who do not believe and are condemned. The world as a whole is made up of believers and non-believers. And the world as a whole, God so loved.

The scripture is in your post. For God so loved the world, he GAVE..

1. You presented one thing
2. Then you made an assumption that people who believe that God loves everyone that it means we think that we can sin all we want.
3. Provide scriptures to backup your assumption.

It doesn't work like that.

I believe God loves everyone, He desires to see them turn from sin and darkness to Him but I never once believed that we can sin all we want. I haven't met anyone who put those two things together in such a manner. But then again I haven't met even 0.15% of the world's population lol

Yes, the scripture is in my post, which supports what I'm saying.
You're saying the opposite to me.

Now I'm confused it's 1am I'm going to check back in tomorrow.

Romans 9:13 says that God hated Esau before Esau was even born, because Esau had inherited Adam’s hatred of God.

Psalm 5:5 says “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.” Notice that is it not some abstract “sin” or “wickedness” that God hates in this verse; it is people whom He hates.

Psalm 139:21-22 tells us that we should join God in His holy hatred of these people: “Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord? I have nothing but hatred for them; I count them my enemies.”

I would say God loves the man but hates any wickedness within the man. God is just and out of being just, God must hate what is unjust. Which is sin.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself? You have highly masochistic tendencies. I can't stop you from hanging yourself. Reading the whole OP does not help. Do you really think that Jesus, who died for sinners like you and me use to be, would approve of this thread?

So you're saying, essentially, that God hates the sin but loves the sinner?


Psalm 5:5 says “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.”
Notice that is it not some abstract “sin” or “wickedness” that God hates in this verse; it is people whom He hates.

I'd like to assure you that I do not derive sexual pleasure out of pain (masochistic).

I'm trying to counter widely held beliefs about God and the Bible that I feel are false

Nope I still see God hating the action of wrongdoing. If the people would turn back or turn to God then they we be seen as righteous.

Psalm 5:5 says “The arrogant cannot stand in Your presence; You hate all who do wrong.”

Then how do you explain the part of the verse that says "You hate all who do wrong"?

I'm willing to be corrected, but I would need more than 'accepted wisdom' or 'common interpretations' to convince me.