A discussion of the nearness of the endtimes

Not to stir the pot as most of you know how much that bothers me but as for the rapture tribulation and the end times in general how near do you really think it is? Granted I know there is mass diversity of the timing of the rapture and the book of revelkations unfolding but lets say for the topic of discussion that say the rapture was to be the first thing to happen since most of us already believe we have been in the end times since Jesus rose from the dead.


How close do you think it could actually be? what signs might point to this and what scripture and evidence could possibly prove this?
And for everyone who doesn't believe in the pretrib rapture what do you think is next? how close might it be and what signs evidence and scriptures might help to prove this? The way the world is going I think it is wise to pay attention to the book of revelations more than ever and while I pray this doesn't turn into a blood shed debate I hope we can discuss things and look at different points of views together learn and grow and maybe even be more aware of these times than before.

First the seals must be opened and the horsemen ride forth. This might not be the easiest to perceive, but the great earthquake, the sun being blackened, the moon turning to blood, the stars falling unto the earth, these things cannot be missed.

But all of these things have happened already several times I am guessing these things happening will be on a much larger scale that a massive earthquake is predict by scientists to hit california at some point and If I am not mistaken there is a super volcano in that region. If that thing were to go off it would cover everything within a hundred mile radius in ash and smoke would cause the biggest quake we have seen for thousands of years and would blanket the sun and moon as well.
But even if this was a theory that had validation I wonder if these things are to happen in a supernatural way or will God use the elments of the earth to do it?

No they have not happened.

Don't look to the charlatans and their nonsense theories that they make to try to undo the Bible. Jesus will do these things, for he is the only one worthy to open the seals, and not the beggarly elements.

Nowhere does Scripture indicate any human being, Believer or not, would know when the Seals would begin to open, when the Horsemen would begin to ride, or when the Trumpets would sound. And in Matthew 24, these specific signs the sun being blackened, the moon turning to blood, the stars falling unto the earth, happen AFTER Tribulation. So it seems foolish to be watching out for those until we know when the Tribulation begins.

The one thing I feel most certain about, we know the Antichrist at the midpoint of the Tribulation will sit in the 3rd Temple and claim he is God. With knowing that much, it almost can be a safe bet to assume that as soon as the Jews rebuild their 3rd Temple, that could be the beginning of Tribulation or a clue we have been in Tribulation. Because the Book of Daniel in Chapter 12 states "Daily Sacrifice" will be stopped at midpoint by the Antichrist, which means there has to be a Temple for that to happen. Now, I am not saying Tribulation will specifically begin when the 3rd Temple is built, but once it is built, we know for certain that either Tribulation is beginning or it has already begun.
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This is why I pay close attention to what is happening.


Here is something you might find interesting concerning the 3rd Temple:

This happened just THREE WEEKS AGO!

Efforts by rabbis to see a third temple built intensify
Sunday, April 12, 2020 | Tag Cloud Tags: Benjamin Netanyahu, Christian, Egypt, epidemic, Israel, Israel News, Jerusalem, Jordan, Netanyahu, News, Prophecy, Security, temple, Temple Mount, Third Temple, War



Rabbis in Israel are calling for the reinstitution of the temple service as a means of averting plagues, pointing to the Passover sacrifice that saved the Israelites in Egypt as a model for understanding current events.

A request to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by the Temple Mount Organizations for the Aaronic priests to be allowed to perform the Korban Pesach sacrifice of a lamb on the Temple Mount was finally denied, but not before being forwarded to Internal Security Minister Gilad Erdan.

“We hereby appeal to all who are able to act and act for renewal of the Temple service in general, and the Passover offering in particular,” the letter, which Breaking Israel News reports was endorsed by major rabbis and religious leaders, reads.

The rabbis, among whom were Rabbi Schmuel Eliyahu, the Chief Rabbi of Safed and member of the Chief Rabbinate Council, and the rabbinical judge Rabbi Benayhu Brunner, also expanded on their theology of sacrifice in light of current events.

“We know that it is in the power of the Temple service to remove God’s anger from Israel,” the letter claims. “The merit of this mitzvah will save all involved from all tribulation, affliction, and disease, just as the first Passover offering in Egypt protected Israel from the Angel of Death.”

The rabbis further promised that efforts to build the temple for this purpose would, therefore, proceed “in a compulsory and more intensive way," and that the religious leadership would "endeavor to do so this year, in the face of the terrible epidemic.”


We are this close to fulfilling prophecy and having the 3rd Temple being rebuilt!

Well that is why I said they will be on a much larger scale because they have happened just not in the way described. Blood moons are not that uncommon there was even one on a holy Jewish holiday a couple years back, the sun turning black as sackcloth is a solar eclipse earthquakes devastate the world all the time along with plagues diseases ect.
But the seals are another story I think it will be like the difference between having a small cut on your hand to a gash on your whole torso it will likely be unlike anything we ever thought possible

I watched a documentery about the antichrist and one the things it mentioned was the third temple, apparently once it is built that is when some scholars think the book of revelation will unroll like a scroll and some are even trying to get it to be built specifically to hasten the coming of Jesus( according to the documentary)
I do know one thing for sure though, Israel coming back to it's homeland and reclaiming it 1948 was a major bible prophecy fulfillment and the third temple being built will be the biggest yet

I saw this on you tube. Interesting!!

https://www.youtube.com › watch

The book that was sealed with seven seals was the Old Testament, the New Testament unsealed it.

AMEN!

And since 1948, other prophecy concerning helping Jews return to their homeland have been fulfilled with the Christian programs relocating Jews back to Israel. There are around 9 million current Jews in Israel and that is a major growth since 1948.

There is a current article from a Rabbis who believes Trump will aid in the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple. If he wants to get reelected, he might try to pull something like this off for Christian support and Jewish support.

Honestly, I believe we are on the brink of these things "Beginning." I don't know how we will know this, but at the Beginning of Tribulation until midpoint, the TWO WITNESSES will appear and preach, reveal miracles of God. If the television flashes 2 men that look like Moses and Elijah or Enoch (debatable), and they speak ancient Hebrew, and they perform miracles, it's a very safe bet Tribulation has most definitely begun!

If you take the Beginning of Tribulation + 7 years, and then you take into that this Earth will be destroyed for a new Earth, this video could be on target. That means Tribulation would begin within a year and then add Armageddon at the end of Tribuation, and we are easily in 2029. Good stuff!

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Revelation 8:11
And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Sid Roth is a known heretic.

I dont know anything about the end times. I have never read the book of Revelation. It just makes no sense to me. I have tried but I just dont understand it. Anyway mid last year the pastor started to talk about end times and I went home that night and asked God is this real or is this just another thing people have made up and are using it to scare people. I had a series of three dreams in a course of a couple of months. As far as this video is concerned, it could possibly happen.

I don't purposely watch him. But, the 3rd Seal is about a "star" crashing into Earth. Science has been watching this asteroid for some time now. Revelations calls this star/asteroid "Wormwood."

I look at it like this, God used a donkey to speak, He can use the Sid Roth show to reveal clues to us. Other than that, I am not even arguing with your claim!

The beginning of the Bible and the Ending of the Bible are my favorite subjects about the Bible. And since I love Science, I love watching things that bring both Prophecy and Science together.

Hmm not sure on the asteroid being it, seems wormwood would be a less planet destructive and more of a water toxicity issue

Indeed, Babylon's kingdom is made of all the whores for her cup is full of fornications. This is how the spirit that is Babylon is described. She is the harlot of the curse of Zechariah, a spirit which an angel said "this is wickedness" before casting her into the ephah with the curse and sealing her thousands of years a go in Shinar as explained in his book.

The city of Jerusalem is the city also that is the whore of Babylon, for Jerusalem and her sister Samaria were famous sluts and so described and called by the major prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel as a slut of well, literally biblical proportions. Jerusalem shall be a focal point which the Kingdom of Lies, that last beast kingdom and the reckoning of their final kings list in Daniel's book made of North and South which shall jostle over Jerusalem and love her not. She will ride the beast, but the beast will not love her. The Kingdom of Lies is, was, but yet it is not. It is not, but yet it is. It is a kingdom of lies born between two kingdoms, North and South, that make a false peace and a false unity, in a sense it will exist in that they will be united by lies. Yet because they are united by lies it will not exist.

The Man of Sin of Daniel 11 is the second beast of the Apocalypse which have two horns and come from the sea. This is in the first beast the little horn also explained in Daniel in the strange fourth beast made of elements of the prior three. The little horn is a king that casts down three He is the horn that is of the seven kings, but he is even the eighth which shall which shall overflow with the flatteries and lies, the powers of Satan and make the Abomination of Daniel which stands where it ought not, and speaks blasphemies. The first beast, the one of the earth, is that to which they shall make an idol to and put it where it ought not to stand. This is the last Kingdom of Lies.

Revelation is unique in it shows what the real Enemy is going to be up to then. This Enemy is a Liar and he is getting old and been up there for a long time and he is even a great red dragon, that old serpent back at the Genesis who is called the Devil and Satan. He makes a war in heaven with 1/3rd of the angels somehow, and he is defeated by Michael and the good angels and they are thrown down to earth and no place is found for the wicked old dragon anymore therein with much rejoicing in the heavens for the accuser of the brethren is cast out. But woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth and sea they cry because Satan now is come down to the earth, and he is full of wrath because he will know then that his time is short. The furious dragon shall open his wicked mouth where the Three Lies like toads in his mouth, the spirit of all the demons pours out like a flood to destroy the virgin of Israel and her heir but they were caught up. That Lying dragon gives to the first beast and the second beast, that Man of sin, and the idol of their beast kingdom, his own power, the power of the lies in his mouth.. And the Kingdom of Lies, the first beast of the earth it is and yet it is not.

Jesus will come with the saints and the good angels in the clouds at the power and glory of the right hand of God and call up and raise the 144,000 saints and they shall bind the dragon and cast him into the bottomless pit and judge the earth 1000 years. The whore will be afflicted by the 144,000 saints and they shall and the angels are told to pour to her double the cup of the wine of the furious indignation of God. The angels will also pour out the vials of wrath upon all the earth and creation. Then the bottomless pit is opened again and Satan be allowed to be loosed to foolishly with the wicked last generation make one last pathetic stand and get utterly wiped out by the saints and angels led by the King of Kings with the blazing eyes and the powerful sword of his mouth, Lord Jesus in all his glory, hallelujah, we praise the Holy Holy, we fight for his Glory Glory. The saints of the 144,000 cry out and their immortal song begins. Ezekiel's blessing come true which he bless the animals with and the armies of the wicked last generation and Satan and the wicked angels from the days of Noah and the ones that fall and are there then, and the demons which are the Lies of Satan, his wicked draconic spirit/breath, and the spiritual principalities of lies he has corrupted, and the foul creatures and monsters, and all the forces of evil are destroyed in their futile last battle and they are sacrificed on the mountains of Israel to all the beasts of the field to eat their flesh and the birds of the air to drink their blood at the great sacrifice Lord God makes to them.

The time finally comes the martyred saints on God's altar whom were given their white robes for just reward and told to watch with patience are finally avenged and it has come for the true day of Apocalypse, the Revealing of the Father, the final day of all tears to be wiped away by Jesus comes at last, and these corrupted heavens and the earth which turned against the Father are dissolved by fire like Peter told us. The corrupted creation, the wicked spirit of Babylon, that wicked old dragon Satan, and the Man of Sin, and all their wasted kingdom of evil are thrown into the Lake of Fire which is all that is left of their dark and desolate kingdom and the smoke of their torment rises forever, praise the Holy Holy God. And everyone that ever lived is resurrected and they are judged. The Father is revealed in all his glory and we behold his glorious face and Lord Jesus takes his throne and all that believe on him are saved for eternity to live in the Kingdom of God. Praise Jesus, Praise the God his new heavens and new earth and New Jerusalem, his perfect Creation, The Bride of the Lamb is given him at last and the Father and the Son are their light forever and the Father has his children and love eachother as God willed forever.

Hello brother. The Anti-christ is in the world today, that is a good thing to me because it means the ways of this wicked world is about to be judged. Let's just say my calling 30 plus years ago is tied in with an Eschatological calling, in that I has a vision, I was running with two kids from some real evil dudes, I hid behind a bush by a house and I then heard this loud BOOMING VOICE from above say, "The Man of Sin is Here" that was all that was said, as a young Christian I think God understood He still didn't have my full attention, this Vision was very strange to me.

So God gave me another Vision, one of only a few I have ever had. This was me and about 10 other people in this huge Auditorium, and Jimmy Swaggart was preaching, and there was no one there. About a week or 2 later he fell from Grace. So God showed me this man's Ministry was going to be taken from him, even if just for a while. This made me look up Man of Sin, and I understood it was SPECIFIC tp the Anti-Christ but God used this phrase, I am sure, so there could be no confusion because there can be many anti-christs but only ONE Man of Sin. So I was shown 30 plus years ago tat the Anti-Christ is in the world now.

Of course, this gave me a bent to my calling, my understandings and studies have been towards Eschatology. The book of Revelation is easy to understand once you learn its just a big CODE BOOK and the Old Testament is the reference point for the encoded understandings. If he was in the world 30 years ago, and called the Man of Sin then he has to be 50ish now, and men usually come to power in their 40s or 50s. I will not be here, because I will be Raptured, but I believe that is nigh upon us and should happen at any moment.

Sid Roth is not a heretic, sometimes I just shake my head at today's Christians.

Wouldn't it take at least a couple years for the temple to built though? If trump wanted to get that done he would be in a very small time range