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Judges1318

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cv5 said:
Smite the Rock and water (Holy Spirit) gushes out.
Speak to the Rock and water (Holy spirit) gushes out.
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I think we all agree striking the Rock is a picture of Christ's Crucifixion and the Holy Spirit coming forth as a result.
It is taught by some that the fact that the Rock was not to be struck again is where the principle of Hebrews 6:6 comes from:

"To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." - Hebrews 6:6

Crucifying Christ all over again (striking the Rock) is prohibited by God for the reasons given.
I think this helps explain God's displeasure in Moses striking the rock again.
 
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Judges1318 said:
How does this even remotely mean Moses and Aaron lost faith in the promise?
This is like when a Christian believes in God's promise of salvation but is faithless in regard to things like not lying on your taxes, not viewing porn, being kind, being patient, loving, etc.
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I'm beginning to think you are totally dense. When did I mention Aaron?
 
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Judges1318 said:
I think we all agree striking the Rock is a picture of Christ's Crucifixion and the Holy Spirit coming forth as a result.
It is taught by some that the fact that the Rock was not to be struck again is where the principle of Hebrews 6:6 comes from:

"To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." - Hebrews 6:6

Crucifying Christ all over again (striking the Rock) is prohibited by God for the reasons given.
I think this helps explain God's displeasure in Moses striking the rock again.
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Yeah this makes sense - Moses struck the rock twice - out pops water, Christ is struck once out comes the HS.

Great twopology.

Are ya seeing double there laddie?
 
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Judges1318 said:
I think we all agree striking the Rock is a picture of Christ's Crucifixion and the Holy Spirit coming forth as a result.
It is taught by some that the fact that the Rock was not to be struck again is where the principle of Hebrews 6:6 comes from:

"To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." - Hebrews 6:6

Crucifying Christ all over again (striking the Rock) is prohibited by God for the reasons given.
I think this helps explain God's displeasure in Moses striking the rock again.
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Some interesting thoughts there thank you.
 
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azamzimtoti said:
I ain't going with any Missler theory.
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Chuck Missler (when he was alive) probably forgot at least a thousand times more than you'll ever know. And sleep well knowing that his spirit is with Jesus now like it or not. I truly love that dear man.
 
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Judges1318

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azamzimtoti said:
I'm beginning to think you are totally dense. When did I mention Aaron?
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azamzimtoti said:
(Num 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.)
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Judges1318 said:
I think we all agree striking the Rock is a picture of Christ's Crucifixion and the Holy Spirit coming forth as a result.
It is taught by some that the fact that the Rock was not to be struck again is where the principle of Hebrews 6:6 comes from:

"To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace." - Hebrews 6:6

Crucifying Christ all over again (striking the Rock) is prohibited by God for the reasons given.
I think this helps explain God's displeasure in Moses striking the rock again.
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could it be that God did not tell Moses to strike the rock?

if I remember correctly, God told Moses to speak to the rock.

Moses disobeyed, so hence was not allowed to enter the promised land.
 
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gb9 said:
could it be that God did not tell Moses to strike the rock?

if I remember correctly, God told Moses to speak to the rock.

Moses disobeyed, so hence was not allowed to enter the promised land.
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That is exactly what I've been saying and then explained the potential prophetic significance of the two events.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Thanks....and I see a Jesus devaluer did not like your post.....another stooge!
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I see a RED X coming your way .. or maybe she just likes to put them on my posts.

She told me I am in awe of you instead of Jesus ...LOL :D
 
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dcontroversal said:
Been good......was in AU when this all hit....had to fly back to the U.S.....now been isolating on my 50+ acres near Mark Twain National Forest in Missouri......killing a little time twiddling my thumbs.....and you?
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Had some dental work done. Bit my cheek while I was numb but now feeling it since the numbness is gone but mostly well.
 
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