2 Timothy 3 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

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John146

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So he was blind and ignorant as the eternal Spirit too?
God learned. God feared. God cried. God was made perfect.

Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 

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This thread has derailed into a predestination thread. I don't believe the OP was that.

In my book, sure okay--everything was predestined. Whatever happened earlier today, was predestined to happen the day before. I can read any novel, skip to the end, then go back to Chapter 1, and I know the characters are predestined for...whatever happened in the last chapter. So...? It has no impact on anything.

And yes, God controls everything. But that does not mean he EXERTS control on everything.
 
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God learned. God feared. God cried. God was made perfect.

Hebrews 5
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
= blind ignorant and untrustworthy.
 

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You depict God as originally clueless.
I don't want to get into hyperbole, but in fairness, Genesis 6:6 does say that God regretted ever creating Man. How can one regret something if he knew what he was doing all along? How can one later come to regret something if they aleady knew the future?
 
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This thread has derailed into a predestination thread. I don't believe the OP was that.
Thank you. Satan is very clever not to expose himself!

Perilous times speaks of difficult dangerous times (and deception), which Christians are now living in just before the Rapture of the Church. The world economy is now collapsing due to the noisy pestilence world wide. The scriptures teaches us that there will be more tares than wheat in the Endtimes Church (Matthew 13:33, Revelation 3:14-22). It says that those who call themselves Christians will have a form of Godiness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

My question is? What does it mean to have a form of Godliness (those who call themselves Christians), but denying the power thereof?
 
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I don't want to get into hyperbole, but in fairness, Genesis 6:6 does say that God regretted ever creating Man. How can one regret something if he knew what he was doing all along? How can one later come to regret something if they aleady knew the future?
He repented by killing all but 8.
 

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Jesus is all-knowing God. But Jesus' human nature was an infant that grew up learning
So, there were things as a man that He learned through His experiences that made Him perfect.
 
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So, there were things as a man that He learned through His experiences that made Him perfect.
He was sinless but learned as any human does.
 

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He was sinless but learned as any human does.
Perfect doesn’t mean sinless. Perfect means complete, whole, not lacking. Jesus was made perfect.

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 

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After creation? Only before because his eternal decree is perfect.
God repented from destroying Nineveh as He said He would do. Why? Because Nineveh repented first and cried out to Him. God changed His mind and did not destroy them.
 
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God repented from destroying Nineveh as He said He would do. Why? Because Nineveh repented first and cried out to Him. God changed His mind and did not destroy them.
Does God answer prayer? Is it a change of mind?
 
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Perfect doesn’t mean sinless. Perfect means complete, whole, not lacking. Jesus was made perfect.

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Are you saying Jesus was sinful?
 

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Does God answer prayer? Is it a change of mind?
God causes things to happen that would have never happened, but because we prayed, God made a way.