IT'S 1948! IT'S A MIRACLE!

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tanakh

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I don't think it has anything to do with scripture. People try to find support from scripture but only at the expense of Denying Jesus and the Church as being biblical Israel. Paul says all of the promises are yes in Jesus, not to the broken off unbelievers removed from Israel in Romans 11.

The first generation of genuine Israelites leaving Egypt forfeited all of the land promises before they ever set foot in Canaan. Only their children entered yet to lose them all over again in the different occupations and exiles.
I believe that the Jews returning to Israel is part of Prophecy but its for judgement. The land belongs to God and he does with it as he chooses which includes who inhabits it and who doesnt. The covenant he made with Israel depended on obedience to him not on any ethnic basis. The Bible as I read it says a remnant will be saved. There has always been a righteous remnent in Israel and an unrighteous majority. God dealt with the unrighteous using Assyria, Babylon and Rome. Next time it will be the Antichrist and
the surounding nations.
 

cv5

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I believe that the Jews returning to Israel is part of Prophecy but its for judgement. The land belongs to God and he does with it as he chooses which includes who inhabits it and who doesnt. The covenant he made with Israel depended on obedience to him not on any ethnic basis. The Bible as I read it says a remnant will be saved. There has always been a righteous remnent in Israel and an unrighteous majority. God dealt with the unrighteous using Assyria, Babylon and Rome. Next time it will be the Antichrist and
the surounding nations.
The primary purpose is the redemption and salvation of Israel. The massive judgements (against everyone) are certain and necessary but ancillary.
 

JaumeJ

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If it is a miracle what was created in 1948 creating something called Israel, with no High Priest, no Temple and no Holy Spirit, then, it was indeed a mracle.

The Israel of our geography today is the staging grounds for the fulfillment of the prophecies, ant this only.

Anyone thinking it resembles the historic Israel or the Israel of our Makr is seriously deceived and should read all of the Word...….........
 

Yahshua

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If it is a miracle what was created in 1948 creating something called Israel, with no High Priest, no Temple and no Holy Spirit, then, it was indeed a mracle.

The Israel of our geography today is the staging grounds for the fulfillment of the prophecies, ant this only.

Anyone thinking it resembles the historic Israel or the Israel of our Makr is seriously deceived and should read all of the Word...….........
Surely it's prophecy fulfilled, but a miracle? Or is it something else.....?

Ezekiel 35.
 

cv5

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If it is a miracle what was created in 1948 creating something called Israel, with no High Priest, no Temple and no Holy Spirit, then, it was indeed a mracle.

The Israel of our geography today is the staging grounds for the fulfillment of the prophecies, ant this only.

Anyone thinking it resembles the historic Israel or the Israel of our Makr is seriously deceived and should read all of the Word...….........
Its the staging ground for Jeremiah chapter 31....obviously. The joyous redemption of national Israel to their Maker and land to serve Him....forevermore.
 
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I believe that the Jews returning to Israel is part of Prophecy but its for judgement. The land belongs to God and he does with it as he chooses which includes who inhabits it and who doesnt. The covenant he made with Israel depended on obedience to him not on any ethnic basis. The Bible as I read it says a remnant will be saved. There has always been a righteous remnent in Israel and an unrighteous majority. God dealt with the unrighteous using Assyria, Babylon and Rome. Next time it will be the Antichrist and
the surounding nations.
I think I agree with this. They've been under God's wrath ever since 70 AD in a fixed state. I'm not optimistic about their future.
 

cv5

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Its the staging ground for Jeremiah chapter 31....obviously. The joyous redemption of national Israel to their Maker and land to serve Him....forevermore.
Jer 31:31

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
 
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No, that's replacement theology,the Bible doesn't teach it. The church has not replaced Israel.
The Church IS Israel. God removed the unbelievers, only believers in Christ remain.
 

JaumeJ

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Israel means Prince with God or Ruling with God

Jew short for Yahudah…….. One who praises God.

All who are members of the Body of Yeshua-Jesus etc...…
 
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Jer 31:31

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
That is about us, not the broken off Jews who hate Christ so much, they formed their own nation to prove it.
 

JaumeJ

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Now I say good night from the Israel of God awaiting the descending ot the New Jerusalem. Lyla tov col Israel....
 

acts5_29

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I'm sorry, what was the miracle in 1948 again? That land in Palestine has always been there. It was still there all through the Crusades, when people decided they needed to go off and kill each other for it. Is the miracle that one political faction ruled over that piece of land over another? Or that one non-Christian religion took it over another? Or is it the name change?

When people start regarding a piece of land as "holy" and then use that to justify people fighting against people and killing each other, might I suggest you have a grave misunderstanding of what God truly values.
 
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I'm sorry, what was the miracle in 1948 again? That land in Palestine has always been there. It was still there all through the Crusades, when people decided they needed to go off and kill each other for it. Is the miracle that one political faction ruled over that piece of land over another? Or that one non-Christian religion took it over another? Or is it the name change?

When people start regarding a piece of land as "holy" and then use that to justify people fighting against people and killing each other, might I suggest you have a grave misunderstanding of what God truly values.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/milli...d-war-iii-to-speed-up-the-second-coming/29362
 
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No, the church is still the church, Israel is still Israel and God is not done with the Jewish people.
What does The Holy Spirit have to do? Offer the whole gospel?

I would say send the new testament and replace the wailing wall with the gospel. Its works for the gentiles. Faith comes by hearing.

Jesus said His flesh profits for zero. That must mean something?

It would seem something powerful not seen is missing? Perhaps as it is written?
 

cv5

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I'm sorry, what was the miracle in 1948 again? That land in Palestine has always been there. It was still there all through the Crusades, when people decided they needed to go off and kill each other for it. Is the miracle that one political faction ruled over that piece of land over another? Or that one non-Christian religion took it over another? Or is it the name change?

When people start regarding a piece of land as "holy" and then use that to justify people fighting against people and killing each other, might I suggest you have a grave misunderstanding of what God truly values.
Make no mistake...God has chosen the land of Israel (erroneously called Palestine) as the location of His earthly throne in Jerusalem and His chosen people the Israelites who will dwell in that land.
 

acts5_29

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No, the church is still the church, Israel is still Israel and God is not done with the Jewish people.
As opposed to whom? Who *IS* God done with?

Until you articulate that, you have a non-statement. Sure, the trees outside are still trees and the sky is still the sky. The point...?
 

acts5_29

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Make no mistake...God has chosen the land of Israel (erroneously called Palestine) as the location of His earthly throne in Jerusalem and His chosen people the Israelites who will dwell in that land.
According to what religion?
 
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Make no mistake...God has chosen the land of Israel (erroneously called Palestine) as the location of His earthly throne in Jerusalem and His chosen people the Israelites who will dwell in that land.
“The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.” (Leviticus 25:23)

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Galatians 3:16)

“For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)

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“This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.” (Romans 9:8)

“And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.” Acts 3:23 (KJV 1900)