Not By Works

Here is the exchange: https://christianchat.com/threads/not-by-works.146296/post-4230534

This is what you believe and teach.

"Let us do evil (go back to the life of sin and unbelief), that good may come (you retain salvation)?"

That's called making grace a license to sin.
But if you are sure it is not, please explain what is.

[posting an old post of mine]


What do you believe the following passage conveys (addressed to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"):

6 So then we should not sleep [G2518 (note: DIFFERENT Grk word from what was in chpt 4:13,14,15! [G2837 there] ; ) )] as the others [G3062], but we should watch [G1127] and we should be sober. 7 For those sleeping [G2518], sleep [G2518] by night; and those becoming drunk, get drunk by night. 8 But we being of the day should be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet, the hope of salvation, 9 because God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through [/BY MEANS OF] our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 the One having died for us, so that whether we might watch [G1127] or we might sleep [G2518 - same two words as in v.6!], we may live together with [G4862 - denoting 'UNION-with'] Him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as also you are doing.


What do you believe this passage means? Particularly, the way in which "G2518" and "G1127" are USED here, in context.



[G1127 "WATCH" - https://biblehub.com/greek/1127.htm ]

5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

Christ the Only Foundation

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Hebrews 3:5-15

A failed crop doesn't condemn the farmer who worked it.
It condemns the field itself and leaves the farmer who worked it without reward for his labor.

Then you fill in the parentheses with your interpretation so we can understand better what Paul was being accused of and can then compare it to what you teach:

"Let us do evil (go back to the life of sin and unbelief), that good may come (you retain salvation)?"

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How is everyone today?

If you deny that Grace out bounds sin, then you deny the Gospel... because the Gospel IS we are "saved by Grace through faith..... (Ephesians)

This right here is what makes you a lying snake in the grass pal....I beleive the BIBLE and what was written to the SAVED CHILDREN OF GOD by PAUL and make no mistake HE WAS INSPIRED by the SPIRIT OF GOD....you on the other hand are inspired by something OTHER THAN THE SPIRIT OF GOD. .. anf this is what makes you so evil....Because I rightfully believe what Paul wrote to a N.T. CHURCH -->Where sin ABOUNDS, Grace abounds the MORE and BECAUSE OF THIS TRUTH SHOHLD WE LIVE A LIFESTYLE OF SIN...God forbid....you are not of God dude...you are as evil as they come, you degrade Christ, you falsely accuse, you degrade faith, you degrade grace, you constantly skew the truth and ON TOP OF THAT you openly ADMIT that you count the blood of JESUS A COMMON ORDINARY BASE THING BY FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING TOGETHER as the manner of some...

Listen gang....Judges is a false teacher that skews the gospel, peddles a Jesus not found in scripture....do not buy the dross he is selling, because his dogma takes one straight to the pits of hell!

Agree ......and I learned a new word "dross" which is spot on of course!

Rightly divided by audience. The twelve tribes is not the body of Christ no matter how you twist it. Paul’s letters are to the body of Christ.

Some were slandering grace by accusing Paul and others that they do evil that good may come? Paul is actually preaching against this thought.

7 For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Doing great yourself?

Better. Please pray for me. Been having some physical symptoms a lot of times in the morning that may be stress related but I'm not sure all what it is. Plan to see doctor tomorrow.

This passage is self explanatory and all believers can take comfort in this passage.

Okay... but my further point would be (in the form of a second question), do you believe this passage [1Th5:10,6 and context, under discussion] is making an identical point as the following passages (below), or a distinct point from it/them? :

--Matt24:42, 43(2x); Matt25:13

--Mk13:33, (34), 35, 37

--Lk12:37, 38(2x), 39 [re: "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal]

--Lk21:36




[re: "WATCH" in these passages]

^ [EDIT: meant to also add to that ^ LIST... (but forgot to)...]

--Rev16:15-16

All these passages tell the believers to watch for the same things and to be ready for them so that they are not caught off guard and overtaken by them.

As in boxing, it’s the punch that you didn’t see coming that knocks you out, not the one you saw coming.

Okay, so you are saying all these other passages (I listed--something like 12 verses and their contexts) are addressed to "the Church which is His body" (same as in 1Th5:10,6 and context) and are making the SAME POINT regarding the word "WATCH," have I read you correctly ??

10 the One having died for us, so that whether we might watch [G1127] or we might sleep [G2518 - same two words as in v.6! (and this G2518 being DISTINCT from G2837 from prev. chpt. "sleep in Jesus")], we may live together with [G4862 - denoting 'UNION-with'] Him.


https://biblehub.com/greek/1127.htm - "WATCH" ^

It is amazing, how little you KNOW. And yet, you think you know it all.